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emeraldlonewoulf 05-25-2012 11:52 PM

Memorial Day
 
Thank you, Veteran. Words can never be enough.

Versus 06-01-2012 12:47 AM

Thank you for what?

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695888)
Thank you for what?

Guaranteeing your right to say that, for starters.

Versus 06-01-2012 09:05 AM

When was the last time the constitution was threatened? Go ahead. I'll wait.

AshleyO 06-01-2012 09:15 AM

Ha. I think it's basically them thanking our veterans because it's our vets that's made the brave choice to defend our country.

As they say, if being a soldier was easy, everyone would be doing it.

Versus 06-01-2012 09:55 AM

No. Veterans were conscripted, pressured or lied to, and then used until they died for something they were not allowed to understand. But that's not what we remember. Their memory is twisted into something that can be used and exploited.

Memorial Day is a fucking fraud.

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695909)
No. Veterans were conscripted, pressured or lied to, and then used until they died for something they were not allowed to understand. But that's not what we remember. Their memory is twisted into something that can be used and exploited.

Memorial Day is a fucking fraud.

Some actually volunteered, maybe because we feel that our country is worth fighting for.

Versus 06-01-2012 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaye Jang (Post 695913)
Some actually volunteered, maybe because we feel that our country is worth fighting for.

Have you volunteered into the military?

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695914)
Have you volunteered into the military?

Past tense.

Versus 06-01-2012 11:07 AM

Have you fought for your country's worth?

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695920)
Have you fought for your country?

Wouldn't be a disable Vet, now would I?

Versus 06-01-2012 11:13 AM

You are lying.

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695922)
You are lying.

And you know that, how?

Versus 06-01-2012 11:26 AM

Because in combat, nobody fights for intangible things like ideals. That is a myth of war that only somebody who has seen war can know.

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695926)
Because in combat, nobody fights for intangible things like ideals. That is a myth of war that only somebody who has seen war can know.

You'd be surprised at what people fight for. Or maybe not. So, how long were you in Iraq?

Versus 06-01-2012 11:55 AM

I really wouldn't be surprised at what people fight for. We went to combat to fight for our country, but as you should know, that's not actually what happens during combat. Nobody thinks about any of that bullshit until after. When I redeployed from my first tour, in Iraq, I felt that something was missing from all stories that I had heard or seen about war from movies, books, whatever else before I had seen it because they did not match my experience at all. It wasn't until I returned from Afghanistan, and saw it again, that I realized that the things we see are myth. They are not real. They are lies. What society celebrates is a fucking lie.

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695931)
I really wouldn't be surprised at what people fight for. We went to combat to fight for our country, but as you should know, that's not actually what happens during combat. Nobody thinks about any of that bullshit until after. When I redeployed from my first tour, in Iraq, I felt that something was missing from all stories that I had heard or seen about war from movies, books, whatever else before I had seen it because they did not match my experience at all. It wasn't until I returned from Afghanistan, and saw it again, that I realized that the things we see are myth. They are not real. They are lies. What society celebrates is a fucking lie.

I'm sorry you feel that way. But the bitterness gets better with time, if you let it. (And you are a bit luckier than you realize, you know. When we came back, we didn't get the same reception).

Versus 06-01-2012 01:44 PM

HOLD THE FUCK ON.

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Originally Posted by Jaye Jang (Post 580902)
No offense meant, and none taken I hope, but most of the people who died at Ft. Hood were medical personnel, and some were coming back from Iraq to join their families. One of the peole killed here was a civilian PA (Physician's Assistant). How does killing medical personnel help the Iraqis, pray tell? I was a Medic in the Army. Medics don't kill people. We put them back together. The same Medic who treated the police officer who took the gunman down, also treated the shooter. Why don't you chew on that for awhile. I get a little fed up with being accused of being a 'gun-toting killer' by people like you who are so busy spouting off your opinions, you don't even consider the fact that the Military is like any other organization, it's a business. It's not just all shooters. There are business people and medical personnel in it, as well. (I never shot anyone the entire time I was in the Army, but I put a lot of people back together again. Get your facts straight, then we'll talk turkey. Sorry for venting, but I work in a hospital now as a medical typist, and you'd be amazed at how many people do NOT believe we exist! That's because people think everyone who works in a hospital is either a doctor or a nurse, just like they think everyone who works for the Army is a shooter. Baloney. We have business people, cleaning people, cashiers, food service people, etc. who work at the hospital for which I work, and SO DOES THE MILITARY. It's like a small city. Some of the people who go overseas don't go there to kill people, Cpt. They go there to put things back together. They're doctors, nurses, carpenters, etc. They go to try and help. I will give you the 'benefit of the doubt' since you've never been in the military and obviously never been on a military post, but please stop lumping us all into the same basket! It gets old after awhile).

FUCK NO. You fucking sack of shit. You lying, worthless, piece of human garbage. YOU WORKED IN A GOD DAMN MEDEVAC CREW OR A FIELD HOSPITAL. You did not fight shit, and you implied that you were wounded in combat and somehow shared my experience, AND THEN YOU TOLD ME HOW TO FUCKING GET OVER IT.

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695937)
HOLD THE FUCK ON.



FUCK NO. You fucking sack of shit. You lying, worthless, piece of human garbage. YOU WORKED IN A GOD DAMN MEDEVAC CREW OR A FIELD HOSPITAL. You did not fight shit, and you implied that you were wounded in combat and somehow shared my experience, AND THEN YOU TOLD ME HOW TO FUCKING GET OVER IT.

I was injured in the line of duty. But you are correct in one area. I was in a Medevac crew. The average survival time for a Medic in combat is 2 weeks (if you're lucky). For a Flight Medic, it's 2 minutes or however long it takes to blow up a chopper. (Hueys had nice big red crosses on the bottom, which made them pretty easy targets). My job included doing death duty, which unfortunately included picking up pieces of my friends. I try not to think about it, but as I said it gets easier with time. And, hopefully, you got a better reception coming back, from what I can gather. If not, I'm sorry to hear it. (At least people didn't throw rocks at you, for starters, unless I'm mistaken).

Versus 06-01-2012 02:08 PM

Shut your fucking worthless mouth. A cook is injured in the line of duty when she cuts herself trying to open a box. I SAID FUCKING COMBAT, AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK THAT MEANS. Bitch, I know what the fuck you did, I know what your fucking job was, and you can't fucking bullshit me. I'm not everyone else who you can glorify yourself to because they have no idea what the fucking army is like. Don't compare your fucking knee injury or seeing a fucking body or your pog ass job to anything like me or my fucking brothers.

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695939)
Shut your fucking worthless mouth. A cook is injured in the line of duty when she cuts herself trying to open a box. I SAID FUCKING COMBAT, AND YOU NO EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK THAT MEANS. Bitch, I know what the fuck you did, I know what your fucking job was, and you can't fucking bullshit me. I'm not one everyone else who you can glorify yourself to because they have no idea what the fucking army is like. Don't compare your fucking knee injury or seeing a fucking body or your pog ass job to anything like me or my fucking brothers.


Believe whatever you want. I'm sorry you are having a tough time of it. I only suggested that things will get easier with time, if you let it. (I've had quite a bit of time, like more than 30 years. Besides, I don't like being reminded of how old I am and this is bringing back some very unpleasant memories, so if it's okay with you I'm going to go do something positive with the rest of the day). Have a better day, young one.

Alan 06-01-2012 02:33 PM

30 years? Where were you active then? Grenada?
I'm not mocking; I'm trying to remember what went on in the 80s.

Versus 06-01-2012 02:38 PM

And now you're telling me you haven't even been to a war. You're not sorry. You don't know what the fuck to feel sorry for. Awesome. Get the fuck out.

Jaye Jang 06-01-2012 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 695942)
And now you're telling me you haven't even been to a war. You're not sorry. You don't know what the fuck to feel sorry for. Awesome. Get the fuck out.

Try more like the 70's. (I told you. I don't like admitting how old I am. However, if it helps, I'm going over to celebrate my grandchild's birthday).

Versus 06-01-2012 02:45 PM

Your shit does not add up.


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