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Elystan 09-30-2011 02:55 AM

Sex industry
 
What are y'alls views on it? Empowering? Degrading? That depends? Depends on what?

Apathy's_Child 09-30-2011 03:38 AM

For who - prostitutes? Strippers? Fetish porn production companies? The people who stick the rotating balls on fancy dildos? 'Cause that's a big question.

Elystan 09-30-2011 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Apathy's_Child (Post 680522)
For who - prostitutes? Strippers? Fetish porn production companies? The people who stick the rotating balls on fancy dildos? 'Cause that's a big question.

Let's go with prostitutes

wolf moon 09-30-2011 05:02 AM

The way that prostitution exists in our society makes me terribly sad. I think one would have to be slightly sick to find that sort of desperation arousing.

I'm totally okay with the people who stick the rotating balls on fancy dildos, though. I feel like they're probably all right.

Grausamkeit 09-30-2011 06:14 AM

Didn't we already cover this in the Sexuality thread?

Saya 09-30-2011 06:45 AM

I went to a panel on sex work a few months ago, it was five women, from a pro-legalization scholar, an Aboriginal rights activist, an Asian rights activist, a queer woman sex worker and a woman from a harm reduction charity.

The term "sex work" was used to say "most sex workers are empowered by their work and choose it", which pissed me off. "Sex work" includes a lot of people, like Apathy said, and it wasn't specifically about prostitutes. The two rights activists pointed out the overwhelming racist nature of prostitution in Canada and called for the Nordic model of legalization, and the harm reduction people were talking about how they meet prostitutes where they are, provide clean needles, safety tips, etc. So there was a few white people telling the racialized women that they were wrong and patronizing.

It rubbed me the wrong way, there definitely is privilege and hierarchy even in the sex industry. If a white escort is putting herself through college with her pay, its something quite different than an Asian girl being trafficked or an Aboriginal woman on the streets with few options.

I hope there's a day where it isn't degrading, but I think people are duped if they think its a position of power.

Elystan 09-30-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Grausamkeit (Post 680528)
Didn't we already cover this in the Sexuality thread?

Where's that thread?

Posting before I look

Elystan 09-30-2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf moon (Post 680527)
The way that prostitution exists in our society makes me terribly sad. I think one would have to be slightly sick to find that sort of desperation arousing.

I'm totally okay with the people who stick the rotating balls on fancy dildos, though. I feel like they're probably all right.

Who's not all right, the prostitute or the person hiring the prostitute? What if it's not done out of desperation? What if it's a white (read: privileged) girl and she isn't putting herself through college?

ape descendant 09-30-2011 01:10 PM

*whoosh**whoosh some more*

Elystan 10-01-2011 05:26 AM

So I'm sure we can agree that human trafficking is a form of slavery and to be condemned as such. But what about prostitution itself? Where the coercion factor is no greater than economic coercion to get a job?

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Originally Posted by Saya (Post 680531)
I hope there's a day where it isn't degrading, but I think people are duped if they think its a position of power.

Are you meaning to imply here that prostitution would be a 'good' for society? When you say 'I hope it isn't degrading' I interpret that as 'I hope the stigma vanishes'.

Money is power, shouldn't the ability to earn a months wages in a few hours therefore be empowering?

Versus 10-01-2011 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Elystan (Post 680617)
Money is power, shouldn't the ability to earn a months wages in a few hours therefore be empowering?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4145654000.jpg

Elystan 10-01-2011 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 680621)

Cute, but fault my logic

Versus 10-01-2011 06:38 AM

Just because you can rationalize doesn't make you rational.

I will if someone hasn't already by the time I get back from killing babies.

Grausamkeit 10-01-2011 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Versus (Post 680621)

Heh. I love your emoticons, dude.

wolf moon 10-01-2011 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Elystan (Post 680622)
Cute, but fault my logic

Your logic is faulty in that you are attempting to apply a theory you seem to have developed without research or experience to a real-life scenario. And doing it poorly.

Elystan 10-01-2011 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf moon (Post 680625)
Your logic is faulty in that you are attempting to apply a theory you seem to have developed without research or experience to a real-life scenario. And doing it poorly.

Priceless.

You haven't addressed any argument at all with this post.

Grausamkeit 10-01-2011 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Elystan (Post 680627)
Priceless.

You haven't addressed any argument at all with this post.

Nah, she totally won this one. You're just being stubborn. Prostitution is, at best, a false sense of 'empowerment'. I've never known a prostitute irl, but I've known strippers. I don't know if it's the majority, but the ones *I* knew got into as a false sense of empower after they were ***** or sexually abused. It didn't empower them. It just made them think that most men are disgusting creeps.

Money doesn't wash the feeling of disgust from your skin. It just buys the drugs that make that line of work easier to do.

Elystan 10-01-2011 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Grausamkeit (Post 680629)
Nah, she totally won this one. You're just being stubborn. Prostitution is, at best, a false sense of 'empowerment'. I've never known a prostitute irl, but I've known strippers. I don't know if it's the majority, but the ones *I* knew got into as a false sense of empower after they were ***** or sexually abused. It didn't empower them. It just made them think that most men are disgusting creeps.

So really she owned you with that post

Grausamkeit 10-01-2011 07:22 AM

You make no sense....this thread wasn't just about prostitution last I checked...

Elystan 10-01-2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Grausamkeit (Post 680632)
You make no sense....this thread wasn't just about prostitution last I checked...

3rd post down

wolf moon 10-01-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Elystan (Post 680627)
Priceless.

You haven't addressed any argument at all with this post.

I'm not interested in engaging with you on the topic. So far you haven't said anything to indicate you know enough about the situation to make it an interesting or productive conversation. I responded to your request for someone to point out why your logic is bad. That doesn't mean I'm interested in discussing something I've actually made an effort to learn about with someone who clearly hasn't.

Grausamkeit 10-01-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Elystan (Post 680633)
3rd post down

Title of the thread is 'sex industry'. That would entail strippers, as well.

Grausamkeit 10-01-2011 07:35 AM

C'mon, I'm waiting for your refutation of my superior knowledge.....

No? Can't do it? That's what I thought.


I have Math homework to do, but I'll check back later to see what you've come up with.

Elystan 10-01-2011 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Grausamkeit (Post 680635)
Title of the thread is 'sex industry'. That would entail strippers, as well.

Changed my mind

Grausamkeit 10-01-2011 07:40 AM

Ah, mah gawd, son! That is a lame as shit answer!

I r disappoint.


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