Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals
 

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This again smacks of racism. To insinuate people come to America to have babies is ludicrous. There are other immigrants in America from countries other than Mexico. The arguments put forward directly attack Mexicans. No one from the UK who is living in America is looking to 'cash in' on the 'welfare state' as the UK has a much more robust welfare system, like Ireland. The same can be said throughout Europe.

It is a direct attack on non-white immigrants from poor countries. It seems nothing short of outright racism. I mean, if they even bothered to mention how it would effect other countries or immigrants, then at least you could say they attempted to appear impartial, but even the language in the bill is so bias that no attempts to appear balanced even exist.

Would you rather the kids be kept in the U.S. while the parents are deported to the country of origin that they are still LEGAL Residents of?

Wouldn't that break up a Family?

I would. The children are innocent, so there's no reason they should be punished. But at the same time it's a terrible thing that people would use their children as such a tool for their own gain. I wonder how many illegal immigrants have children solely for this purpose.

If Arizona wants to create a new law to prevent anchor babies, they should not deny the children birth certificates but rather take the children away immediately after birth. That will put some strain on the Arizona adoption/foster care system for a while, but before long illegal immigrants will get the idea not to have children in Arizona. If other states follow suit, then many illegal immigrants will (at least try to) return to their country of origin, or decide not to have a child in the first place.

Because taking children away from their parents is much less of a punishment, eh?

Well, let's see... if not taken away, the child will;

A. Most likely live in shitty conditions which will be provided solely through American welfare and/or other social programs, or, if lucky, through one or both of the parents' shitty under-the-table job. Such children will grow up in ghettos. Or;

B. If the above law is passed, will be relocated along with their illegal immigrant parents back to their country of origin (since we're talking about Arizona, that means, for the most part, Mexico) where they will live in even worse conditions than situation A, or their parents will try to return to the United States, still resulting in conditions worse than situation A. Or;

C. Such a law as I proposed would result in the infant children being placed in, for the most part, better homes in better locations, with better food, medical, dental, and educational resources available.

So to answer your question... Yes, being taken away from parents that want the child to use as a legal loop-hole (or worse, they didn't want the child to begin with) is much less of a punishment.

I agree with the new immigration laws being passed. I live in AZ and its becoming a huge problem. The main reason they have so many children though is because many of them are Catholic and don't believe in birth control. Its getting ridiculous how many are coming across illegally, then overcrowding AZ.

A coworker of mine who is actually an illegal immigrant (long ass story) mentioned this, and said if she were to be deported she'd want her kids to come with her. She mentioned this same point; where will the kids go? She said she'd rather they stay with their parents.

The UK is a first world country. People from the UK have no big reason to try and flee it. Look however at the conditions in Mexico. Rather than fix their own country and problems they're just jumping ship and going to where the grass is greener.

I was in the foster system in California, and it is terribly overcrowded with illegal immigrant children and the children of illegals. What usually happens is they get caught as they cross the border, are ripped from their parents and thrown in the foster system. ): The ones who were born here become foster kids when their parents are deported.
I will tell you, the foster system is NOT fun. Yes, in general they take good care of you, depending on where you go, but it is NO substitute for a real family.

Nice to meet a fellow Arizonan. People don't understand unless they live here and see the real situation on the ground every day. It's very bad down here with the number of illegals either sneaking across themselves or paying coyotes to get them across and even forge documents for them. It's not the fact that there are illegals here, it's the fact that there are soooo many with more to come. As for anchor babies, they should be deported along with the parents. I know it sounds cruel, but it would be even worse to separate the children from their parents by keeping them here and sending the parents back. No, the parents shouldn't get a free pass to stay here just because they had a kid here when they were not citizens to begin with. They most likely have more of a family structure back in their home country, too. I like how it is presented as attacking the children of illegals while overlooking the fact that so many illegals are having anchor babies in an effort subvert immigration laws to begin with. All I want is for the borders of my country to be respected. Is that too much to ask?

I think that most sane people would want to keep their kids with them or send them to live with extended family until their own situation improves. Leaving one's kids in a foreign country is most likely a ploy to gain citizenship to that country unless they have family already in that foreign country, but then, they could just ask that family member to help them become a citizen themselves or enter some type of sponsorship program or something. I don't think that many people would willingly leave their child in a foreign country unless there was something to gain for them by doing so, and it had better damn well be something of great value. Many Africans do this, but most of them do it LEGALLY and to get their children out of a raging war zone, and there is refugee status, as well. Perhaps if Mexico is that bad, then people can seek refugee status instead of just jumping the border and living here, particularly in AZ, as fugitives.

Agreed, and there are many people who are citizens of this country and they have babies just to get child support or other types of welfare. It is a sad situtation, indeed.

If they're brought here by their parents, they should either be sent back with their parents, or be placed with family (whether that means back in their country of origin or with legal residents here in the US, I don't care. Like I've already said, children shouldn't be punished. I also agree that families should remain together. I would not be opposed to children being given green cards, as they normally don't have a choice when it comes to crossing the border.).

And I hope that if this happens enough, illegals will simply stop trying to have kids in the US, because it won't gain them anything at all.

I know. I was a foster kid.

Agreed. Family is (almost) always the best choice. Sadly, it doesn't always work that way.

Are there hardcore efforts to streamline the naturalization process, to offer a legitimate method of transitioning these people into legal citizens or at least residents?

Or does their citizenship status really not matter, and it is a race thing?

One thing's for sure, in Arizona there's a hardcore effort to do something. I wouldn't call it streamlining, though.

I doubt it's a race thing, as "illegal immigrant" is not a race.

This whole thing smacks of 'racism' to me. Fuckin' Arizona, obviously land of the Supremacists.

why, because AZ is actually enforcing the LAW? You can't act terribly surprised when you get busted for breaking the law.

How are they gonna enforce it? Unless they check the papers of every single person who ever gets pulled over there's going to be a lot of racial profiling.

I know for a fact that there are people all over the world(From Canada to New Zealand) in the US illegally. Are the white people gonna have to live in fear of getting deported, too?

lets look at this with common sense. You are mugged by a man. You remember him to have light skin and brown hair, so of course polic will be looking for men of that description.
Same thing. We're not exactly overrun with people from Sweden, Finland, etc. but from Mexico. Fun fact; most people from Mexico are hispanic.

Look at this with common sense: you're not being fucking mugged by a Mexican.

might as well be the way they're mooching off the country, stealing jobs, filling our clinics, etc.
YOU BREAK THE LAW don't act all surprised and butthurt when you get busted.

I dare you to find one peer reviewed research that proves illegal immigrants are a drain to the economy instead of a boost, you bigoted fuck.

LenorePoe should die in a fire and have her ashes pissed on by dogs.

mature argument.