[Saya]

Originally Posted by Creed of Heresy

Ahh, my mistake. I didn't realize you too were an RCC volunteer. Most people I talk to outside the DCRCC tend to use sexual assault as a replacement term for r*pe, so I've kind of grown used to doing the same myself outside of it. Probably would've figured that you meant the RAINN defined form of sexual assault given the study's statistics if I wasn't at the point where someone might mistaken me for an actual zombie right now. I probably should sleep and then continue on when I'm more rested. I would, however, like to point out that in the muslim world, atheists actually do suffer quite heavily. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrim...amic_countries It's worth noting, of course, that one born in a muslim nation would in all likelihood be raised as a muslim, and that they would become an atheist later, thus becoming "apostates" and subjected to imprisonment, physical punishment, and execution. Atheists in general tend to be a rather small group in highly religious nations, and trying to organize atheists, as it has been said by many, is like herding cats. In such nations, with such extreme penalties for denouncing your religion and becoming an atheist, I suspect rather strongly that the reason they seemingly don't suffer more is because they're less obvious, more secretive, and less organized than those of religious groups in other countries where such religious groups are assaulted and killed. Just something to consider. There's something to be said for hiding in the shadows to avoid being persecuted, especially in those kinds of nations. What there is to be said, though, is nothing good in reflection on those societies, and not just because of what is directed at so-called "apostates." Not saying you're wrong or anything, though; you did say "most," not "all."

See, this leads down the road of me pointing out that atheist governments have persecuted religions and continue to today, but then you'd say "oh, but they're doing it because it threatens their power, not because atheists are inherently intolerant," which leads me to pointing out that Islamic states are political as well and there's reasons other than religious ones why an orthodoxy is being enforced. Its almost as if something bad has happened in the past for Islamist states to have risen to power and for them to be suspicious of Western secularization.

Originally Posted by ape descendant

[We could argue the finer points of it (which I really don't care to), but religious privilege is a thing. Though I would limit it to mainstream, christian religions here in the U.S. So perhaps using the term mainstream-religious privilege would have been better.

I certainly agree that minority religions lack the kind of privilege I'm talking about (I grew up in one). There are plenty of folks in minority religions who have it way worse than most atheists, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about shit atheists face.

Then its not religious privilege. Those Sikhs being mowed down in their temple do not have some sort of privilege atheists don't have access to. That's "white superchurch privilege" you're trying to address while erasing the oppression of religious minorities (many of whom are PoC), but "white supremacy" covers that very well I think and rolls off the tongue much better.

Either way, I was using it as a common ground, so we had a place to start from in the way of understanding.

But its misleading at best and a huge fail in the face of intersectionality.