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Old 01-02-2013, 11:36 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post

Not actually having been adjudicated or committed doesn't mean someone shouldn't have been, nor does it mean that even if they don't require involuntary hospitalization they don't really need help. It's fascinating that you think it is strange and feverish to not want dangerous individuals to have access to weapons, and to want people who need help to have more opportunities to get it.
The system you're currently advocating doesn't stop people who haven't already been in the system and potentially hurts millions who are non-violent.

Having to factor the inability to own weapons could potentially discourage people from openly getting the help they need.

The argument for better mental healthcare in the US needs to be a discussion that is separate from this one, because it isn't the issue and only serves to perpetuate the unfounded stereotype that those with MI are dangerous.

It is dishonest to act interested in wishing to reduce violence by discriminating against people who are less likely to be a danger to themselves or others than those who have imbibed alcohol. Gotta love how when we draw the parallel between race or gender, you cry coincidence, but you grab right on to some thing that is far less statistically relevant, this shows your own bias toward the problem. How do you expect to help when you can't let go of a pet idea that has been shown to be not only unhelpful but harmful.

Given the case study I've been going over, it shows stressors amongst the men to be things that would be blows against a "traditionally" masculine identity, failure to be able to provide for family, suffering from bullying, or social/ romantic rejection.

So, should we add "men who are having an identity crisis" to that list? It would only be fair and would probably actually do more good than only focusing on MI.
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