McCains Own Reverend Wright

[CptSternn]

Some people have posted about Reverend Wright and his comments and how Obama should be made to suffer for what his pastor said.

Well, first, if you haven't read (or watched) his actually comments, take a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

His statements, and video clips, in full. There is nothing racist about his comments. In fact, I personally agree with most everything he says there.

That being said, what the media is neglecting is McCains relationship with pastor John Hagee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee

For those who don't know - he is one of those TV evangelists. More to the point, he has said stuff that puts the contreversy surrounding Wright to shame.

Here is a link to the Salon article on this man...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...8/02/28/hagee/

Yesterday, though, the equally fringe, radical and hateful (at least) Rev. John Hagee -- a white evangelical who is the pastor of a sprawling "mega-church" in Texas -- enthusiastically endorsed John McCain. Did McCain have to jump through the same hoops which Russert and others set up for Obama and "denounce" Hagee's extremism and "reject" his support? No; quite the opposite. McCain said he was "very honored" to receive this endorsement and, when asked about some of Hagee's more twisted views, responded: "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support."

So, what exactly did this man say you ask?

*All Muslims are programmed to kill and we can thus never negotiate with any of them.

*God caused Hurricane Katrina to wipe out New Orleans because it had a gay pride parade the week before and was filled with sexual sin.

*The End Times -- Rapture -- is imminent and the U.S. Government must do what it can to hasten it, which at minimum requires: (a) a war with Iran and (b) undying, absolute support for a unified Israel, including all Occupied Territories

More were listed here:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...cain_democrat/

Catholic League president Bill Donohue said: "Hagee has waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church. For example, he likes calling it 'The Great Whore,' an 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ,' and a 'false cult system.' "

Don't take my word, check out the links and the wiki entry and listen to the man yerself.

[Beneath the Shadows]

Congratualtions on being way behind the times. (That entire last sentence is a link...)

[CptSternn]

I saw yer post. You however never put any content into it, therefore most people have no idea what yer on about in that limited response.

[Drake Dun]

Huh. I actually hadn't read the actual words of the two guys in full before, but assuming your sources are accurate, McCain's guy is definitely worse than Obama's guy. And both of them are shit nuts. The government invented HIV to get rid of black people. Katrina happened because of a gay pride parade. Uhuh.

The only way you can make comments that breathtakingly stupid and still have people come back in masses to listen to you again is if, you guessed it, you are in a position of religious authority. There's a certain ironic symmetry here.

[ArtificialOne]

But you fail to state if he knew the guy previously, and how long? And if he has ever attended his church.

Sure, that pastors an idiot. Like most stark raving mad types. So what if he endorses McCain? Lots of people get endorsed by people they wouldn't want to be endorsed by. Jane Fonda said she would vote Obama, she's the most treasonous person in the country.

The big thing here is you see absolutely nothing wrong with Rev Wrong blathering about CIA aids conspiracies and the rest of the nonsense. Obama had a 17yr relationship with an extremely racist and nationalistic person. I haven't heard of McCain having that similar of a relationship with that kind of person. Not only that, you fail to see anything wrong with what Rev Wrong said. Because you agree with every single thing he said, why? Because you are so deep into the socialist religion you are blind to something blatently wrong and racist as what that pastor had to say. But since there's a white guy doing it in Texas of all places, you're the first person to start the crucifiction. Both the pastors should be shunned and have there tax exemptions revoked, not to mention any campaign funds they may have donated returned.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by ArtificialOne

But you fail to state if he knew the guy previously, and how long? And if he has ever attended his church.

The man has been a whack job for quite some time. Check the wiki page.

[quote[Sure, that pastors an idiot. Like most stark raving mad types. So what if he endorses McCain? Lots of people get endorsed by people they wouldn't want to be endorsed by. [/quote]

Heh - you started a thread to rally against Obama for this. Now that it turns out McCain is in the same boat, you put this defence forward? The fact you posted this after attacking people for the same thing in another thread made me laugh a little bit.

Jane Fonda said she would vote Obama, she's the most treasonous person in the country.

Are you seriously going to go there? I ask because I am assuming that your referring to the 'Hanoi Jane' fiasco, which turned out to be right-wing propaganda and never happened. There are multiple Internet sites that dispel this urban legend, with all the facts to prove it. The fact you would bring up a myth that was debunked back in the 70's shows your not paying attention.

The big thing here is you see absolutely nothing wrong with Rev Wrong blathering about CIA aids conspiracies and the rest of the nonsense.

Nonsense as you call it - you obviously haven't read it. Again, I point out he goes into detail about what white people were doing to blacks just a generation ago AND some of the atrocities they are still suffering today. You are pretending that black and whites have always been equal in America, and are labeling a man who mentions the fact his great grandparents were owned as slaves, tortured, and beaten as somehow 'racist'.

Obama had a 17yr relationship with an extremely racist and nationalistic person.

Lets look at his 'controversial' statements:

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and The Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.

"Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.""

He quotes a white ambassador. He points out he is not the first one to say that. How exactly is this statement racism?

"Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness."

Again, he is talking about historical fact. Are you trying to say the African slave trade didn't happen? Just because your history has some bad spots doesn't mean you can ignore it an attack people because they remind you of it. I mean, your related to people who bought and sold blacks. Your grandfather lived in a time where blacks couldn't drink from the same water fountain, date white women, and were put in prison for sitting on the front of a bus. You seem to be forgetting this and calling people 'racist' for bringing up recent history.

I haven't heard of McCain having that similar of a relationship with that kind of person. Not only that, you fail to see anything wrong with what Rev Wrong said. Because you agree with every single thing he said, why? Because you are so deep into the socialist religion you are blind to something blatently wrong and racist as what that pastor had to say. But since there's a white guy doing it in Texas of all places, you're the first person to start the crucifiction. Both the pastors should be shunned and have there tax exemptions revoked, not to mention any campaign funds they may have donated returned.

You obviously didn't check my original links. McCain is in a few video clips supporting your man even after the media brought this stuff to light (he already knew before hand - Hagee is nothing new).

I think Wright has said nothing wrong. As per his 'controversial' quotes above, I fail to see any 'racism' in them.

[ArtificialOne]

Haha!

I knew you'd deny the Fonda bit. You're so transparent.

[Beneath the Shadows]

Originally Posted by CptSternn

The man has been a whack job for quite some time. Check the wiki page.

Way to answer the question.

[Solumina]

Capt you know that I am not one to attack you but really Rev. Wright has said much worse than that, you should have known that wiki wouldn't have the whole story. The man spews hate about white people, gays, lesbians, other racial minorities, and other religions (I'll go look for links if you want). That and the main reason why people are giving Obama a harder time is because he was a member of that man's congregation. McCain was never a member of Rev. Hagee's congregation so it is fairly natural that he would not get the same treatment.

[KontanKarite]

Or you know, we could simply disassociate both candidates from stupid ass reverends and base our decisions on the person and not their pastors.

If we said our preachers or even yet, our own parents were racist, should we be to blame for their actions?

Seriously, put on their shoes and you will see how quickly this whole insane preacher thing becomes a moot and silly point.

[Beneath the Shadows]

It's not a matter of whether or not Preacher X supports Candidate Y. It's a matter of what is Preacher X saying, and does Candidate Y agree? In the case of Barack Obama, he does not agree.

[KontanKarite]

That's rather silly to want to know if they agree or not. Hell, it's simple.

Hey Obama, are you racist?

"No."

Oh, okay then.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by ArtificialOne

Haha!

I knew you'd deny the Fonda bit. You're so transparent.

Seriously? If you believe this, then I have an iceberg in the desert for sale you might be interested in...

http://www.google.com/search?q=fonda+myth

(Feel free to check out any of those links to mainstream media with the full story)

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by Solumina

Capt you know that I am not one to attack you but really Rev. Wright has said much worse than that, you should have known that wiki wouldn't have the whole story. The man spews hate about white people, gays, lesbians, other racial minorities, and other religions (I'll go look for links if you want). That and the main reason why people are giving Obama a harder time is because he was a member of that man's congregation. McCain was never a member of Rev. Hagee's congregation so it is fairly natural that he would not get the same treatment.

You claim he 'spews hate about white people all the time'. How do you know this? I mean, I have Googled and Googled, plus I watch the news religiously and have never heard nor seen this.

I have heard this blanket accusation like you said, which is the same as what ArtificalOne said - which is merely regurgitated quotes from fauxnews.

If you can find and post a link to something he said that proves you right, then do so.

You can't post that a man is all the time spewing racist comments, then have no sources, no links, no proof, and no qualifying statements of any sort to prove your assertions.

You won't find any. The right wing media like faux continues to say this, like when they kept repeating there was WMD's in Iraq. Doesn't make it true.

But please, feel free to try and prove me wrong - find one scrap of real evidence, one real news source with some other 'racist' statements and post them. I await your response.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

It's not a matter of whether or not Preacher X supports Candidate Y. It's a matter of what is Preacher X saying, and does Candidate Y agree? In the case of Barack Obama, he does not agree.

For once I agree fully.