Hypocracy in politics.

[ArtificialOne]

My govt hasn't failed me personally. Except maybe when the dmv closes at 5:00..

And you obviously have no, not even a little understanding of economics. No, I don't think your making the benefits up, I just think you have no understanding of how they are paid for. I'd love to argue points, but I don't like arguing with walls.

Racism in the states? Yeah, it happens everywhere. We haven't had a religious war like in ireland though.. What was is again.. Protestants vs Catholics. How many people died in bombings and assassinations? Please tell. maybe you can't see what he said was racist because you're a true believer in what he says. Never mind that if a white or asian pastor said the same he'd be crucified, that's the measuring stick. You're blind because you are a true fundamentalist in socialism if it agrees with your point of view, even if it's completely wrong and unethical, you'll see no wrong because it's on "your" side.

You're anti totalitarianism, yet.. you want the govt to run every aspect of your life. Which is it stern?

Yeah, I can move to wherever I want. But if you would have posted my full statement, I'm here with my wife. That's the only reason. She has to be here, so I'm here with her. Maybe you can't understand that because you don't love anyone or anything. You are clearly full of hatred, so you are unable to empathise with my position. Once again your immaturity shows.

My other points? Try actually reading the posts. Or maybe you can't because your so worked up you can't think. That again is something hatred does to a person, makes them completely blind.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by blackwater1110

My other contention with self-sufficiency is that, it ignores that humans for all intents and purposes are social animals, and enjoy having a sense of community. We have that even here at goth.net, with all of the dysfunctions that you would see in a larger-scale picture of society. Self-sufficiency alone would breed contempt and hostility, and would make more prevalent the type of Republican mind-set of "I got mine, go get yours," which ultimately hasn't had positive societal repercussions, and has led to incompassionate points of view that have set humanity back more than they have made it progress. Thus, while self-sufficiency is indeed desirable, it must be tempered with a sense of community, of recognizing the other and aiding each other in each other's individual aims, in order to succeed.

Obviously. But at the same time, keep in mind, social interaction SHOULD be a matter of prerogative. I agree that we can't be 100% self sufficient because we'll always need things such as medicine.

Alas, I'm eluding to something else entirely to be honest, so my posts here are about half way off topic and I've become a bit of a fanboy about that one thing. There is, two threads about it on G.net. One in general and one in entertainment.

[Pye]

Originally Posted by CptSternn

We have minorities here as well. We just don't go out of our way to make them feel different. In fact, we have a much more cosmopolitan society here. Sure we have many whites here, but many are from Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France, Poland, Lithuania, and other part of Europe. English is not their first language. We still don't discriminate. Here skin colour isn't an issue, and even with language differences we still get along.

Are you sure you live in Clare? I only recently heard the insult "black bastard" the other day. Not to mention the countless whines about the poles taking our jobs etc.

Also Sternn, not everyone is entitled to free healthcare here either. You must be unemployed or earning under 184 euro per week to qualify. The UK has free healthcare in any case with a charge of 6 pounds sterling for prescriptions only if one is working. In Ireland we pay for prescriptions (in full) if earning over the previously stated amount and on a GP visit card. This means I have to pay a total amount of 84 euros for my medication each month. Two items. In the UK I'd pay 6 pounds sterling each (12 pounds).

[Pye]

*correction*
My apologies.

Eligibility for a medical card is calculated against total income regarding rent/mortgage payments etc. So the limit amount varies from person to person depending on their situation. But basically, not every one is entitled to totally free healthcare. We have it good, but not that good.

[ArtificialOne]

Everyone keeps throwing the word "free" around. The money to pay for it comes from somewhere, whether it be taxes, tariffs, interest on savings from the govt. The money doesn't come from the sky. And with any system like that it's interlinked with the economy of the country. If it tanks so do all the benefits. And that's my main argument. If you save your money and make good financial decisions you are insulated from ups and downs and gives you a good chance to recover if anything bad were to happen.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by ArtificialOne

My govt hasn't failed me personally. Except maybe when the dmv closes at 5:00..

The fact your parents had to bail you out is proof your government failed you. Had you lived in the UK, Ireland, or other parts of the EU you would have had government protection and would not have had to turn to your family to be saved. Do you not think your fellow countrymen should be given the same protection? Should your fellow countrymen be in essence punished because of the family they are born into? Is that not classism? Are you not supporting a system much like the caste system in India? Have you not replaced racism with classism - no longer can you descriminate against a person because of their colour, but hey - if they are poor and born into a poor family its ok to attack them on their lack of resources.

And you obviously have no, not even a little understanding of economics. No, I don't think your making the benefits up, I just think you have no understanding of how they are paid for. I'd love to argue points, but I don't like arguing with walls.

Again, I have a degree in econ, do you? No the money comes from somewhere, but not where you are thinking. See, in a socialist nation like Ireland we have socialised health care, natural resources, utilities, and services. Our oil and gas is owed by the government. Our railways are owned by the government. Our water, electricity, and until recently our phone and air services were owned by the government. The monies made from these services pay for the benefits. We don't have oil barons here or energy markets or marketeers like enron. Our government controls it, and uses the profits to fund our social system as I previously stated.

We are taxed as individuals less than Americans. So don't think we get hit in the wallet for those benefits.

Racism in the states? Yeah, it happens everywhere. We haven't had a religious war like in ireland though.. What was is again.. Protestants vs Catholics. How many people died in bombings and assassinations? Please tell.

That again was right-wing propaganda from england. It never was and still isn't a religious war. It's Nationalist vs. loyalist - it just happens that the groups on both sides share religious beliefs. The UK tried to make it into a holy war as to encourage their population, much like bush has done with Iraq. The reality is Nationalist want to reunify Ireland, loyalists want to stay part of the UK. I could go into great detail of why they fall along various religious divides, but thats a long story for another thread.

As far as deaths, if your really interested then you can check these two links. Also, the number your looking for is 2,500.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/index.html

maybe you can't see what he said was racist because you're a true believer in what he says. Never mind that if a white or asian pastor said the same he'd be crucified, that's the measuring stick. You're blind because you are a true fundamentalist in socialism if it agrees with your point of view, even if it's completely wrong and unethical, you'll see no wrong because it's on "your" side.

'My' side? Do you think I am African-American? Again, I encourage you to read/view/listen to his speech. It wasn't racist. I'm white and took no offense to it. It listed the attrocities the US government had done to blacks over the years. I don't see how talking about historical facts is racist. What was that in your last post 'those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it'? So why when a black man talks about the history of blacks in America, you try and silence him, calling him a racist?

You're anti totalitarianism, yet.. you want the govt to run every aspect of your life. Which is it stern?

I still don't know where you get the idea I want the government to run every aspect of my life. I want the government to provide for me and my family. I want my government to provide food, shelter, and medical care for everyone in my nation. I don't want the government listening in on my phone calls or putting CCTV on every corner. I don't want armed para-military police running through my streets. I don't want spy drones hovering above my estate.

I don't see what you are confused on. I currently live in a nation that provides what I want above and doesn't have what I don't want. It's not some utopia, it's life in Europe.

Maybe you can't understand that because you don't love anyone or anything. You are clearly full of hatred, so you are unable to empathise with my position.

Empathy. There is a great word for you. From the man who thinks hes the only American who needed a bail out, and the rest of them can rot as far as hes concerned. You should look up that word, and study it more. Why you are there you really should look up hatred. I think you are clearly misusing this word as well.

As far as the rest of your reply, its more name calling and not worth responding to.

[Pye]

Again, I have a degree in econ, do you?

You should probably ask for your money back.

I don't see what you are confused on. I currently live in a nation that provides what I want above and doesn't have what I don't want. It's not some utopia, it's life in Europe.

You mean you're a dole scrounger? I thought you had more degrees than a thermometer. Since it's so easy to get a job here, where's yours?

[ArtificialOne]

Yeah, he's a total twat. It's fun to rile him up because of that fact. It's just a shame he doesn't know it.

Yeah, degree in economics my ass... And I'm a little tea pot.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by Pye

You mean you're a dole scrounger? I thought you had more degrees than a thermometer. Since it's so easy to get a job here, where's yours?

I'm currently a refugee. You should check out my RENDITION thread...

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showthread.php?t=4481

[Pye]

When you get a real job, tell me how great the socialised healthcare is. Actually don't, you'll probably have it on the fiddle anyway.

[ArtificialOne]

Ha! A refugee that supposedly has a million in the bank.. Laughable. I wish I was a comedy writer I'd be making loads right now.

[CptSternn]

I never said I had a million now,merely that I did. I'm a minimalist. In fact, I gave away pretty much everything I owned, cars, jeep, all worldly possessions before I left the states.

...but thats another story.

[Pye]

I suppose it was better to just get rid of them in case of repercussions. I wonder who turned you in?

[le_revenant]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

... the Kay Kei K...

...took my baby away..
they took her away...
away from meee!...

yeah I agree that Obama shouldn't be blamed for the actions of someone he once considered a friend & advisor.
If everyone were to be held accountable for the actions of friends & associates, no one would be left standing untouched.