suicide

[Demonista_Ravenesque]

Nonfat...Your avatar rocks

[nonfatsuperjesus]

Originally Posted by Demonista_Ravenesque

Nonfat...Your avatar rocks

Why, thank you!

[Phayte]

"If you want to whine about how miserable your life is, there is a section just for that. It's called, amazingly enough, "Whining". If the reason you're whining is bullshit, though, we, again, reserve the right to make fun of you. " <-- Quote from the "Newbies! Read this!" Part of the whining forum.

Spider, you posted in the wrong forum if you wanted most people to give you honest answers/opinions.
1. You didn't actually whine about anything until you responded to other people.
2. You asked a question about a very touchy subject for a lot of people.

You should have expected the flames.

~Phayte

[Disfunction]

Originally Posted by Phayte

"If you want to whine about how miserable your life is, there is a section just for that. It's called, amazingly enough, "Whining". If the reason you're whining is bullshit, though, we, again, reserve the right to make fun of you. " <-- Quote from the "Newbies! Read this!" Part of the whining forum.

Spider, you posted in the wrong forum if you wanted most people to give you honest answers/opinions.
1. You didn't actually whine about anything until you responded to other people.
2. You asked a question about a very touchy subject for a lot of people.

You should have expected the flames.

~Phayte

This thread is more of a question then a whinging sesion at this point, because i dont wanna put myself out there and get my ass flamed until I feel the vibe around the subject.

To its credit, it attempted to spell the word "whinning" correctly.

[rockandrose]

Spider, for your own good.

http://www.suicidenote.net/splash.jpg



http://daniel.lucas.spymac.net/images/you-suck.jpg

[Demonista_Ravenesque]

Argh! RockandRose!!! Your coolnesssss ARGH! *face explodes* Thanks alot, now I need a new face...

*morph*

That's better.

And yeah...What Phayte said...

[nonfatsuperjesus]

How about a suicide quiz:

http://thisisacryforhelp.com/quiz/killyourself/quiz.htm

Mine:

http://thisisacryforhelp.com/quiz/killyourself/slit.jpg
(Slice along forearm vein then lay in a bath, Pain killers help to relax you)

And a death quiz:

http://thisisacryforhelp.com/quiz/die/quiz.html

Mine:

http://thisisacryforhelp.com/quiz/die/suicide.jpg

[mortalitas incomitatus]

Congratulations, You will...
Burn to Death
(you have 6 years and 14 days to live, from the date you read this)
During one of your well known sex romps with the local slut, you neglected to put out your cigarette, and set fire to your house. Thinking your whales and moans to be those of passion, no one bothered calling 911... your death was one of the most painful imaginable.. And you didn't even get to cum.


dammit grommit.
i wanted to cum just once!!!

[rockandrose]

Congratulations, You will...
Be Murdered
(you have 2 years 6 months and 13 days to live, from the date you read this)

Getting shot in the back while getting a quick 20 out of the ATM, then being dragged to a strange mans apartment where he disembowels you and slowly eats you over the course of a year isn't the most glamorous way to die, but at least you were dressed to impress... bling bling

mortalitas, its not fair! You get to sleep with a local slut!

[polished_wolf_claws]

Okay... Spider.....(By the way... your name is SOooooOOooo Spooky):
Get a fuckin grip.
I'll say it again and again, till all the Emo Shits hear it and accept it:
SUICIDE IS A COWARDS WAY OUT.
Gather round folks... young and Old.... I'll tell you a little story.

When I was a little boy (Who dressed like (THough I'll admit I wasn't agoth) a gothy Girl, Mind you) I Felt for a while that suicide was a good way out of being harrassed by the Kids..... that slitting my wrists in the school bathroom was a great way to say "fuck you" to all the 'Meanie-heads' in my grade.... that it was SOOOooooo Romantic and Powerful.
My school counciller ended up saying somethign to my Mother. And My mother ended up saying something to my step-father. and my father ended up beating the Good Christ right outta me. and then he said something to me:
"Boy.... You know what suicide is in all facts of the matter?"
I guess I was supposed to answer, cuz he slapped me upside the head.
"well?"
"No sir, what."
"Its a fucking cop-out. It's what little whiners and snivelly little shits do who don't have the fucking balls to handle whats coming. It's what hitler did in his little fucking bunker after he realized that sucking ally cock wouldn't save him. after he realized he was fucked."
My step dad looked really fucking serious at me "YOu know your dad? YOu know he has tattoos on his wrists? Why does he have those James?"
I shrugged
"Because he wanted out. right after you were born... He didn't want to deal with responsibility and grow up enough... he didn't want to face the facts taht life is tough, that in life you have to work an honest job and think about some one other than himself."
I already had a low opinion of my father for abandoning my mother and refuzing to pay child support.
My step-father got up and said" you wait right here James." and I did as he got up and walked out of the fuckin room. He came back in about ten minutes with his work bag, and it looked full " well at least your one of those kids who has figured out their life goals and plans early. So you want to Kill yourself? You want to try and pull the same selfish bullshit your dad did when he didn't want to deal with you? You want to break your Mothers heart and leave you Brothers behind, Knowing what kind of selfish bullshit Their Big Brother subscribed to?" He reached into his bag and tossed a bottle of pills at me. "here, get outta here then.... No Skin off my back."
He looked at my shocked look. "What, not your style?" He reahed in again and tossed me a little razor blade "If you want to be more drastic." He walked the extra two steps to where I sat on my bed and dropped the bag on my lap "Just dont fuck up my bag, I need it for work tomorrow morning."
Inside it was knives, razors, pills, cleaners, aeresol sprays, rope and so on......
I decided that day my opinion on fucking suicide.

So if suicide is still for you(Spider OR anyone else who feels that lovely urge) , by all means do so..... jsut do me a favor: send me your grave sites location..... Cuz I'm gonna fucking steal your tombstone..... Cuz you don't fucking deserve to be remembered, you ungrateful shit.

My email is on my profile if you want to fucking kill yourself. take a fucking number.

[polished_wolf_claws]

Originally Posted by Xnguela

Wow, that was hard to read.

Font wise?

[polished_wolf_claws]

Huzzah!

*funny side note to the little story I put there... me and my step dad get along just fine now ^-^*

[mortalitas incomitatus]

hmmmmm.........interesting story claws.
i always think its funny how one thing can change your whole perspective on things.
for me it was having a "vacation" in a psych ward when i was 16.
that woke me up.
hehe

[polished_wolf_claws]

Originally Posted by mortalitas incomitatus

hmmmmm.........interesting story claws.
i always think its funny how one thing can change your whole perspective on things.
for me it was having a "vacation" in a psych ward when i was 16.
that woke me up.
hehe

Yea... I really just needed to let people have a general Idea of where I was coming from if I ever go apeshit on a little sniveller..... Cuz I don't want to look like an outright asshole..... just an asshole with a background. ^^

[Disfunction]

I think it's a fairly limited, diminished perspective of the world to go around claiming that "suicide is the coward's way out." In truth, I can see the value to such a perspective, but then, until you've been to your breaking point, you can't honestly pass judgement on someone else. There's been times when I've been conversing with people who have been ***** by a large quantity of males in their family, and beaten by those who don't. They are too scared to go to child services because the people threaten them with more beatings, etc.

I mean, shit, when you can't see another option, other than the slow progression of failures that are beginning to mount, it's nothing short of a tragedy that you can't see the people that are willing to help you... and what about when there's no one around that's willing to hate you? I can understand why people would go about labelling it as a cowardly act, and in many instances I could say that you might be right... but then again, I know a lot of people who are too cowardly to contemplate the act, so I'd say that such labelling is highly subjective.

It was because of my uncertainty of what lay ahead that I stayed my hand, but that doesn't stop the agony which can roll along your mind, devastating your entire life. Subjectivity is the fool's greatest crutch. Everyone uses subjective terms and everyone is a fool. Think about cultures that praised the act of suicide as something noble and a way of dying with honour, etc.

On a side note, imagine if killing yourself were the way to get into a pleasant afterlife, and if you didn't do it, you would be trapped in a cycle akin to samsara.

Wicked sick style.

No, no... I'm out of that whole suicidal thing (this has probably been the best six months of my life) so I'm not going to dwell on that subject any further.

[polished_wolf_claws]

Originally Posted by Disfunction

I think it's a fairly limited, diminished perspective of the world to go around claiming that "suicide is the coward's way out." In truth, I can see the value to such a perspective, but then, until you've been to your breaking point, you can't honestly pass judgement on someone else. There's been times when I've been conversing with people who have been ***** by a large quantity of males in their family, and beaten by those who don't. They are too scared to go to child services because the people threaten them with more beatings, etc.

I mean, shit, when you can't see another option, other than the slow progression of failures that are beginning to mount, it's nothing short of a tragedy that you can't see the people that are willing to help you... and what about when there's no one around that's willing to hate you? I can understand why people would go about labelling it as a cowardly act, and in many instances I could say that you might be right... but then again, I know a lot of people who are too cowardly to contemplate the act, so I'd say that such labelling is highly subjective.

It was because of my uncertainty of what lay ahead that I stayed my hand, but that doesn't stop the agony which can roll along your mind, devastating your entire life. Subjectivity is the fool's greatest crutch. Everyone uses subjective terms and everyone is a fool. Think about cultures that praised the act of suicide as something noble and a way of dying with honour, etc.

On a side note, imagine if killing yourself were the way to get into a pleasant afterlife, and if you didn't do it, you would be trapped in a cycle akin to samsara.

Wicked sick style.

No, no... I'm out of that whole suicidal thing (this has probably been the best six months of my life) so I'm not going to dwell on that subject any further.

I understand where you are coming from too. I have seen both sides of the coin, don't get me wrong... I have known a few people who have killed themselves due to some dire situations and do feel that they have bettered themselves, but It is not the answer from every situation, nor is it the only answer. there is always the choice to live along side with the choice to die. It is one of those tough decision a person has to make at a very pivitol point in their life.

Is it a better choice than living with a painful and crippling disease? sometimes it is.
Is it better than being tortured at the hands of a sadistic fuck who gets off on you living through such humility? yes I think it would be.
Do I think it would be better to pass on instead of 'living' *I use this term loosely here* as a vegetable... incapable of enjoying my existance? Oh, Hell ya.
Is it a way to get back at a football player for slamming you into a locker every day at school? Fuck no.

ya see.... I AM pro Choice. I just may not have sounded it there.....

[Disfunction]

That's much more agreeable. Now, if you will excuse me. I have a paper to write in the next hour.

[Tall One In Black]

I don’t think any blanket generalization about suicide should be stated. Yes, it is a cowardly act sometimes, but it can also be an act of mercy. There are as many reasons for suicide as there are methods.

I believe that suicide attempts are often a desperate cry for help. A person feels overwhelmed by his problems, wants and needs help in solving them, but is ashamed to ask for help. If you ask for help, people will think you’re weak. But if you try suicide, people might realize that your problems were truly enormous; they must be if you’re trying to kill yourself. You weren’t weak – no one could handle that kind of burden. The suicide attempt becomes a way of asking for help without appearing weak.

Sometimes suicide attempts are a cry for attention. Often it’s from a self-centered person who wants everyone to pay attention to him over all things. Sometimes, however, it’s from a person who is floundering unnoticed in loneliness and legitimately in need of attention.

*When I say “suicide attempts,” I am referring to people who didn’t plan to actually kill themselves. They planned for a suicide attempt, not a suicide.

People who commit suicide might have been suffering from mental illness or drug/alcohol addiction. Their thought process might have been less than logical. It’s hard to judge them fairly.

Some people commit suicide because their lives are filled with chronic pain and/or illness. Rather than extend the suffering, they choose to end it.

Some people kill themselves because they think it’s a way of getting revenge. These people usually choose a dramatic method like gunshot.

(This was the method of choice for an uncle of mine. His wife finally kicked him out for abusing her. He later returned to the home, waited for his teenage daughter to come home from school, and then plastered his brains on the wall with a shotgun. He really showed them! And because it was a suicide, “that bitch” didn’t get any life insurance money.)

And, as we see all too often in the news lately, there are plenty of people who kill themselves for their beliefs… taking others along with them.

[polished_wolf_claws]

Originally Posted by Tall One In Black

I don’t think any blanket generalization about suicide should be stated. Yes, it is a cowardly act sometimes, but it can also be an act of mercy. There are as many reasons for suicide as there are methods.

I believe that suicide attempts are often a desperate cry for help. A person feels overwhelmed by his problems, wants and needs help in solving them, but is ashamed to ask for help. If you ask for help, people will think you’re weak. But if you try suicide, people might realize that your problems were truly enormous; they must be if you’re trying to kill yourself. You weren’t weak – no one could handle that kind of burden. The suicide attempt becomes a way of asking for help without appearing weak.

Sometimes suicide attempts are a cry for attention. Often it’s from a self-centered person who wants everyone to pay attention to him over all things. Sometimes, however, it’s from a person who is floundering unnoticed in loneliness and legitimately in need of attention.

*When I say “suicide attempts,” I am referring to people who didn’t plan to actually kill themselves. They planned for a suicide attempt, not a suicide.

People who commit suicide might have been suffering from mental illness or drug/alcohol addiction. Their thought process might have been less than logical. It’s hard to judge them fairly.

Some people commit suicide because their lives are filled with chronic pain and/or illness. Rather than extend the suffering, they choose to end it.

Some people kill themselves because they think it’s a way of getting revenge. These people usually choose a dramatic method like gunshot.

(This was the method of choice for an uncle of mine. His wife finally kicked him out for abusing her. He later returned to the home, waited for his teenage daughter to come home from school, and then plastered his brains on the wall with a shotgun. He really showed them! And because it was a suicide, “that bitch” didn’t get any life insurance money.)

And, as we see all too often in the news lately, there are plenty of people who kill themselves for their beliefs… taking others along with them.

as I already stated there are a few exemptions. revenge, attention and addiction are not reasons that I find exempt. *addiction is an unfortunate situation, but I do not find it justifiable for suicided... for reasons I wish not to explain.*

Suicide bombers should actually be considered martyrs, which are on a level of religious devotion that I respect greatly (The level of devotion, not the Acts.)

Cries for help are very unfortunate...... I feel sorry for those people, but if they know of other methods to gain assistance *And there is a large portion of these cases that do (We Live in a very Media oriented world)* I think they are just going for that flair and Pizzazz that they see in the Movies.

and to those people, My offer stands:
My email is readily available.

[Tall One In Black]

I don’t mean to validate revenge or attention as justifiable for suicide or suicide attempts. Those are the reasons, but I don’t imply that they’re good or logical reasons. Drug/alcohol addiction (maybe “influence” is a better word) cause loss of logical thought, but an intoxicated person was sober before he chose to become intoxicated. I think it’s hard to judge them for suicide, but far easier to judge them on choosing to become intoxicated/addicted in the first place.

I don’t agree that suicide bombers can be considered martyrs. Martyrs are killed for their religion; they don’t kill others for it.

I agree that most suicide attempt cries for help are from overly dramatic people. But sometimes cries for help come from people who don’t know how to express the degree of pain they’re feeling. They think the only way they can let others know just how much they hurt is by doing something dramatic. Again, not the most logical of thoughts, but someone in the grip of a deep depression may not be capable of making logical decisions.

I'm sure that I would have more hardline opinions on suicide if I hadn't lived through a time when I wasn't capable of decision-making. Losing my clarity of thought has made me question whether I'm right in judging anyone.

[soggypicklemuncher]

Having attempted suicide I can say that in my case it's a stupid idea. I was suffering a great deal emotionally when I tried it, but I can see now that my suffering isn't bad enough to justify prematurely ending my life. I'm going to die anyway, so I might as well use the time I have.

If a person is in a situation that couldn't possibly get better, say terminal cancer, that will be horribly painful and drawn out, I think suicide would be justifiable.

[mortalitas incomitatus]

Originally Posted by polished_wolf_claws

and to those people, My offer stands:
My email is readily available.

Claws, you are a sweetheart.

we should talk.

[polished_wolf_claws]

Originally Posted by mortalitas incomitatus

Claws, you are a sweetheart.

we should talk.

Indeed we should ^_^

[leon s. kennedy]

spider,
ive scrolled through your witty and very deep comments on this page prior to the previous, and cant help but to feel from were your comming from... you obviously obtain a rare intelligence that some would desire. sure people at school and people on the last page are hipocriticle about ones "feelings". but just dont falter to any of those clearly asshole remarks.
p.s. maybe god didnt create us, maybe it was us who created him...
p.s.s. your right- life truley is a game after all ... a game with no winners

[leon s. kennedy]

why is love always represented as a rose?...roses always die.