Pro-Gun Anti-Gun. - Page 22

MissCheyenne · 08-06-2009, 04:17 PM

With or without governmental control, there will ALWAYS be people who steal, murder and commit various other crimes. Governments don't prevent these things from occurring. They just punish those who commit these acts. I think that you're an idiot for believing that without any form of government control that we would all descend into madness and become people who steal and murder just because we can. Sure, there would be a period of time where those inclined to commit these types of acts would increase their activities. However, those who are not inclined to indulge in such behaviors would far out number those who are and a natural order would emerge. I in no way said there was no such thing as crime or that there are no bad people in the world.

ArchLich · 08-06-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MissCheyenne

With or without governmental control, there will ALWAYS be people who steal, murder and commit various other crimes. Governments don't prevent these things from occurring. They just punish those who commit these acts. I think that you're an idiot for believing that without any form of government control that we would all descend into madness and become people who steal and murder just because we can. Sure, there would be a period of time where those inclined to commit these types of acts would increase their activities. However, those who are not inclined to indulge in such behaviors would far out number those who are and a natural order would emerge. I in no way said there was no such thing as crime or that there are no bad people in the world.

Note the word in bold. A quote from wikipedia:

Anarchy:
"Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."

Your turn.

JCC · 08-06-2009, 05:23 PM

That's fucking stupid, and not at all representative of anarchism. Find a better source of information on anarchy than Wikipedia, such as Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, a well-known anarchist theorist who said "Anarchy is order."

Your turn.

ArchLich · 08-06-2009, 05:38 PM

A better example, I guess, would be to observe the natural actions of a mammal. Mammals adapt and find a way to co-exist with their surroundings in a natural balance. Man kind lives in a notably different manner. Physiologically speaking, we are the same as any other mammal. However, our way of living is more similiar to that of a virus. We consume, destroy, and take, giving almost nothing back, and we multiply, increasing the intensity of the consumption, destruction, and aquisition. We are mentally incapable of respecting ourselves, much less nature, enough to live peacefully on our own with no guidence from a common authority acting in the best interests of our survival.

JCC · 08-06-2009, 05:45 PM

The 'human as virus' thing is entirely outdated. Do you really blame HUMANITY for environmental destruction, extinction of species and the other things that you use as a basis for your daft conclusions? It's fairly clear that an infinitesimal percentage of the world's people create the vast majority of the world's problems and you've become so deeply entrenched in your own self-indulgent cynicism that you're disdainful of the solution.

ArchLich · 08-06-2009, 09:02 PM

You say I'm delusional when you're the one promoting chaos with the weak justification that "we'll learn to get along", hilarious.

JCC · 08-07-2009, 05:55 AM

No, I'm not, you just don't understand. There are plenty of statists capable of making fairly convincing arguments, you're not one of them.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 08-07-2009, 06:32 AM

I think you guys have it half wrong and half right.

Anarchy is chaos and disorder,and while you,I, or a fair majority of fellow citizens might not go nuts, there would still be the 10-25% that would go crazy.

Anarchy can't last indefinitely because a form of government would emerge (Through various forms).

Order leads to chaos,and chaos leads to order.

JCC · 08-07-2009, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

Anarchy is chaos and disorder

No, it's not. Have you ever read a single fucking book about the subject?

vindicatedxjin · 08-07-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ArchLich

Yeah, you're right, I'm an idiot, because people like Charley Manson and Hitler dont exist, there is no such thing as crime, such as robbery, murder, assault, it's all just a huge conspiracy inspired by the government to make us think we cant survive without agencies like Police to protect us. Idiot.

I said I wasn't going to get involved in this again...but I just have to comment on this. Fact is that yes...there are people like Charles Manson and Hitler in the world...no matter what there are ALWAYS going to be evil...and there is NOTHING we can do to stop that unfortunately. But like I had already said on one of my other posts... as far as guns go... we would be safer from those kinds of people if we had a means of protecting ourselves...you know?
As for the government...No it's not they're faults that serial killers exist...BUT the thing is...they don't really have control over someone who would go to the extent of doing such things if they had never done something before...and they are trying to take away "our" means of protection...of someone was to go that far... I'm not against an organized society with protection...I'm merely against a CONTROLLING society...that is only focused on money and the higher heads...while using us "americans" to do all the work for them....in return taking away our rights.

Not Tha Duckman · 08-07-2009, 08:34 AM

Shut up, you.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 08-07-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JCC

No, it's not. Have you ever read a single fucking book about the subject?

Definition of Anarchy.

anarchy
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* Main Entry: an·ar·chy
* Pronunciation: \ˈa-nər-kē, -ˌnär-\
* Function: noun
* Etymology: Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler, from an- + archos ruler — more at arch-
* Date: 1539

1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature — Israel Shenker>

vindicatedxjin · 08-07-2009, 09:34 AM

^^^^ GO deadman!

Not Tha Duckman · 08-07-2009, 09:45 AM

Shut up, you.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 08-07-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by vindicatedxjin

^^^^ GO deadman!

It was cut and paste.

vindicatedxjin · 08-07-2009, 09:51 AM

I know :P.......

Not Tha Duckman · 08-07-2009, 10:03 AM

Shut up, you.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 08-07-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Tha Duckman

Shut up, you.

You're late!

*Smacks Not tha duckman upside the head with a freshly landed catfish*

Now gut it and get it ready for the stove boy I can't do everything.

vindicatedxjin · 08-07-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

You're late!

*Smacks Not tha duckman upside the head with a freshly landed catfish*

Now gut it and get it ready for the stove boy I can't do everything.

This made me so happy....

Not Tha Duckman · 08-07-2009, 10:57 AM

Shut up, you.

Duane · 08-07-2009, 11:36 AM

Why are you pro-gun, Deadman?

the-nihilist · 08-07-2009, 11:37 AM

Careful, that kind of talking is likely to get you shot.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 08-07-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Duane

Why are you pro-gun, Deadman?

Because I enjoy being able to provide protection for my family,my friends and myself from the violence of others.

Also I like to target shoot and hunt.

Duane · 08-07-2009, 11:57 AM

So, in short... you're paranoid, and have been manipulated into thinking that your family needs protection.

vindicatedxjin · 08-07-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Duane

So, in short... you're paranoid, and have been manipulated into thinking that your family needs protection.

Its not even always a human that you need a gun for...

I'm gonna tell you a little story... me and my family lived out the country for a while...look it up on google maps...its called milford, tx.
Anywhoo...I was in the kitchen one day...and a fucking copperhead snake had somehow...I still for the life of me don't know how...but it got inside the house and was coiled right by the refrigerator...I didn't know what to do so I called for my step dad and he came with a pistol and shot that sucker right in the head... true story... Guns are useful.