The most ungoth band you like?

[Maggoty Anne]

What is the most unbelievably ungoth band you listen to?
For me i'd say it's bloodhound gang.

[Extraordinary]

They still exist?

[Kraven de Sade]

They're more goth than most people give them credit for... the word "blood" is in the name...

xD

[Underwater Ophelia]

ABBA, Britney Spears, Shakira.

[Extraordinary]

Ophelia, you're one of those girls who are going to grow out of being goth before you're 20.

[La_Mort_Heureuse]

Hmm. The Beatles, Jethro Tull, and Fiona Apple are probably the least goth artists to whom I listen. Oh, and showtunes. I love showtunes, but not the pop ones (no Wicked, no RENT, no Phantom of the Opera). I like the classics (Sondheim, Kander & Ebb, Bernstein, etc.).

Maybe I'm a bad goth, but whatever. I listen to what I like, not what I "should" listen to in order to profess my gothitude.

[Raptor]

I listen to loads of stuff thats not goth at all. I like Placebo, Children of Bodom, Rammstein... sometimes I still listen to Blink 182. Doesn't bother me what people think of that, I know what I like. I didn't really listen to any goth bands before I came here anyway, and even though I've found lots I like, its not going to stop me listening to the other stuff too.

And I think I'd bet against that Extraordinary

[Extraordinary]

Originally Posted by Raptor

And I think I'd bet against that Extraordinary

Realistically, probably none of the teenagers on this board are going to stay the way they are beyond teenage years. Of course every single one of them would argue how committed they are, but hey, I've seen it happen every time, and I can't say I've ever known one person who was a teenaged-goth and stuck with it. But what do I know?

[Romantic Raven]

There are many bands I like that aren't goth. For example, I listen to Doom, Black and Gothic Metal, and sometimes even Pagan and Celtic music.

[Raptor]

And you're intitled to your opinions. I just don't think that going from 19 to 20 is a big difference. Maybe you're right, but time will tell.

[Romantic Raven]

Originally Posted by Extraordinary

Realistically, probably none of the teenagers on this board are going to stay the way they are beyond teenage years. Of course every single one of them would argue how committed they are, but hey, I've seen it happen every time, and I can't say I've ever known one person who was a teenaged-goth and stuck with it. But what do I know?

I regret to inform you that there aren't only teenagers on this forum. There are many adults who have started being goths from their teenage years and who remained loyal to their dark inclinations later on in life. Goth is not something you grow out of, it's something you grow into.

[Raptor]

Yeh, growing into goth is what I feel like I'm doing. So I only have just over a year and a half to finish doing that and then grow out of it?

[dreamydancer]

I like Pet Shop Boys and The Sneaker Pimps.

[badteccy]

Beck, The Spice Girls, Ladytron...etc.

Originally Posted by Extraordinary

Ophelia, you're one of those girls who are going to grow out of being goth before you're 20.

Just because she likes a few very non-goth bands? Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Paigeybobert]

A lot of rap, Celine Dion - Yeah, now I forget the rest.

[Extraordinary]

No, the music has almost nothing to do with it. I'm constantly surprised about how many of you guys insist gothic is about the music...I don't see what it has to do with the music at all. If anybody was really that moved by music and vampire movies that it inspired them to become gothic, then it's definite that the gothness is going to wear off for you. I didn't mean that because Ophelia listens to Britney Spears that she's not a "true" goth, come on...how cliche is that? It's a combination of things. Few people on here are really fundamentally different than anybody I've seen on any non-goth forum. Sorry if I'm just not buying every single persona. I don't think that's an offensive thing to say, so if you find it offensive, feel free to tell me why.

[Raptor]

I don't quite get your point, you said she was going to grow out of being a goth based on the other music she likes? And now you're saying gothic isn't about the music? I don't find you offensive.
Anyway this is all off topic. What ungoth bands do you like?

[honeythorn]

I would say..AFI is the most non goth band for me. And what little metal I listen to as well.

[Minyaliel]

Umm... *thinks*

Well, for starters, there's show tunes. I'll be studying in a musicals class next year, so, yes, I love show tunes. I also love rockabilly, especially Elvis and the Stray Cats ("Rockabilly rules, okay!"). I have always loved folk music, especially irish/ scottish, but also norwegian/ german. Then there's ballads. I still love Celine Dion's ballads, and romantic spanish ballads a la Ricky Martin. Actually, I love his music; he was one of my teenage crushes. Then there's the jazz - Sinatra and all those folks, Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, 60's stuff. Oh, and meditation music, and folkrock/ metal a la Subway to Sally, and....

[Splintered]

Originally Posted by Extraordinary

Realistically, probably none of the teenagers on this board are going to stay the way they are beyond teenage years. Of course every single one of them would argue how committed they are, but hey, I've seen it happen every time, and I can't say I've ever known one person who was a teenaged-goth and stuck with it. But what do I know?

You do realize what you basically did right?

You inserted an assumption, and then made a claim in which it would defeat any counter argument. It leaves no room for disproving. No matter how hard I could try and demonstrate a counter argument, your argument would still resume to "As I said, everyone will argue as to how committed they are."

To retort this, I simply have to say: There are quite a few from many days gone by who didn't leave when they graduated from being a teenager. How else would the subculture survived?

I like;
Linkin Park, Public Enemy, Cypress Hill, and an assload of techno and electronic music.

[badteccy]

Wow, the goth movement WAS and is mostly about music. I mean, hurf durf. I'm not offended...I just think you are waaaaaaaaay off about this,

[Haunted House]

Originally Posted by Extraordinary

No, the music has almost nothing to do with it. I'm constantly surprised about how many of you guys insist gothic is about the music...I don't see what it has to do with the music at all.

Gothic Rock is a music genre and goths are the people who love it and listen to it. Any one person who has lived to 20 years old and still listens to gothic rock has proven you wrong. Anyone who is over 19 and has discovered gothic rock and the subculture that is its following has proven you wrong. Done and done.

[Miss_Hazie_Lane]

I'm from Barcelona, they're incredibley sweet and happy

[Extraordinary]

Originally Posted by Splintered

You inserted an assumption, and then made a claim in which it would defeat any counter argument. It leaves no room for disproving. No matter how hard I could try and demonstrate a counter argument, your argument would still resume to "As I said, everyone will argue as to how committed they are"...How else would the subculture survived?

Obviously -- it's not like there's something to debate. I can't prove anything, you can't disprove anything, and nobody has to believe a word I say. The only reason I added "everyone will argue anyway" is because trying to refute it (like you're doing) would be futile: You and everybody else can make whatever claims you want, but until you hit twenty years old, it's only presumption.

And I don't know how the 'subculture' survived, but 1.) does it not include teenagers and 2.) how many joined the "subculture" after their teens?

[Extraordinary]

Originally Posted by Haunted House

Gothic Rock is a music genre and goths are the people who love it and listen to it. Any one person who has lived to 20 years old and still listens to gothic rock has proven you wrong. Anyone who is over 19 and has discovered gothic rock and the subculture that is its following has proven you wrong. Done and done.

1. I didn't mean that music has nothing to do with the "gothic subculture", I meant that music has nothing to do with my statement about Underwater Ophelia. Although I still don't see how gothic/death rock is related to Edgar Allan Poe.

2. Nowhere did I say, "There is not a single person in the world who became and stayed gothic from teens to adulthood." In fact, I never said anything about the people outside of this very forum. Good try, though.