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04-06-2009, 07:17 PM
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Buddha DID have it right. I am very respectful of Buddhism, although I prefer the lifestyle as opposed to the "religion." It's strange having a religion with no deity.
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04-06-2009, 07:27 PM
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Debating religion is not a particularly scholarly field and you won't find much admiration in others when you dabble in it.
One side says "yeah-eah!" and another side says "nuh-uh", the closest thing to an intelligent argument has been talking about the age of a religion but that's totally discrediting the ability for something (relatively) new to be in any way correct which is just illogical.
Err.... Welcome!
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04-06-2009, 07:29 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: WV, USA
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Mock much?
I hope you're proud of yourself.
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04-06-2009, 07:31 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Originally Posted by Pyre
Buddha DID have it right. I am very respectful of Buddhism, although I prefer the lifestyle as opposed to the "religion." It's strange having a religion with no deity.
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Oh, we find ways to fight with each other without a God.
And is it really that odd? Bodhisattvas are kinda of saintly, and we have devas and asuras, and the Tibetans have the goddess Tara?
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04-06-2009, 07:40 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Originally Posted by Becca_Lugosi
Mock much?
I hope you're proud of yourself.
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Resentful much?
I hope you're over yourself.
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I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
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04-06-2009, 07:41 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Athens, GA
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I do not know much about branches of Buddhism, but I do know that practically every country that worships does so differently. Buddhism is more spiritual, however, and some will argue that spirituality does not equate to religiousness. It all depends on how a person defines "religion" since the meaning varies depending on who you ask.
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"Don't ever let anybody teach you to think, Lance: it is the curse of the world." - King Arthur in T.H. White's The Once And Future King
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you" The Bible (Matthew 7:12)
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04-06-2009, 07:46 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Originally Posted by Pyre
I do not know much about branches of Buddhism, but I do know that practically every country that worships does so differently. Buddhism is more spiritual, however, and some will argue that spirituality does not equate to religiousness. It all depends on how a person defines "religion" since the meaning varies depending on who you ask.
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Buddhism is weird because traditionally lay people aren't expected to be serious practitioners, so they are just taught basic morality points and are asked to support the Sangha of monks. So for the average layman in Asia it is a moral spirituality whereas for the monk its a religion. Here in the West we convert so we can be serious practitioners, and end up being a weird layman/monk hybrid. How far in depth with it you go is pretty much what makes it a "spirituality" or a religion to you, I guess.
Ah, shouldn't hijack a thread, I haven't said Welcome ^_^
Welcome! Sorry for hijacking!
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04-06-2009, 07:58 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In Antarctica with the Penguins
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I thought a heathen was just a person who wasn't religious, a person who ignores the idea of gods, etc... As in, not a religion.
I thought that was the general difference between a heathen and an athiest...
Atheism is a religion because it believes in something. It believes that gods and/or deities don't exist, whereas a heathen pays absolutely no attention to it. They don't outright believe gods don't exist, they just ignore the subject matter altogether. They just don't acknowledge it in any way.
I'm neither a heathen or an atheist. So I'm no expert, I could've sworn that's what a heathen was though...
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04-06-2009, 08:00 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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hea⋅then
/ˈhiđən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hee-thuhn] Show IPA noun, plural -thens, -then, adjective
–noun
1. an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible; a person who is neither a Jew, Christian, nor Muslim; pagan.
2. an irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized person.
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3. of or pertaining to heathens; pagan.
4. irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heathen
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04-06-2009, 08:08 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Originally Posted by Mr E Nigma
Atheism is a religion because it believes in something. It believes that gods and/or deities don't exist
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Wow, how many religions are you a part of, then?
I assume you're at least in these:
The religion of the belief that I am not a girl.
The religion of the belief that creationism is not true.
The religion of the belief that you can't divide by zero.
The religion of the belief that Santa Claus isn't real.
The religion of the belief that brown is not objectively the best color.
The religion of the belief that we don't live on top of a giant turtle.
The religion of the belief that our god isn't a double-headed labradoodle.
The religion of the belief that I Can't Believe It's Not Butter isn't butter.
The religion of the belief that Zeus isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Mithras isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Medusa isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Hercules is a legend.
The religion of the belief that your favorite sport is your favorite sport.
The religion of the belief that you don't own a pink unicorn.
The religion of the belief that you don't own a pink left-handed unicorn.
The religion of the belief that you don't have a tiny angel inside your skull.
The religion of the belief that vampires don't exist.
The religion of the belief that aliens don't exist.
The religion of the belief that ghosts don't frequent Minnesota public libraries.
The religion of the belief that I am not god.
The religion of the belief that vitamin C doesn't kill you.
The religion of the belief that geocentrism is wrong.
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"No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world.
I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
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People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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04-06-2009, 08:18 PM
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#36
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
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He probably meant:
"Despite claims made by some Atheists (and other parties), atheism does require a certain level of faith/belief
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04-06-2009, 08:54 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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That's my point, it doesn't. Atheism requires as much belief as the thought you put into my claim of "I possess a hippo/leprechaun hybrid that gets orgasms when I solve a Rubik's cube"
Do you require a certain level of faith to NOT believe such an absurd claim?
We've been through this too many times.
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"No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world.
I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
-Mikhail Bakunin
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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04-06-2009, 09:38 PM
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#38
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Athens, GA
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Atheism can be a belief, an absence of belief, or disbelief. However, being a belief does not make it a religion, as Jillian made a prime example for. There are many components to being a religion that atheism does not include, such as tradition, faith, and practices. Atheism is more of a philosophy and can be defined in a few various ways.
And one does not need faith or belief to be Atheist, as you say, SCC. What faith need there be when religion is absent? And not all Atheists believe there is no God, especially since Atheism isn't limited to Judeo-Christian religions.
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"Don't ever let anybody teach you to think, Lance: it is the curse of the world." - King Arthur in T.H. White's The Once And Future King
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you" The Bible (Matthew 7:12)
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04-06-2009, 09:48 PM
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#39
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
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Sure you do, I have to have a certain amount of faith in my ability to logically comprehend that said hippo/leprechaun probably doesn't exist. It's not a belief towards some external source, it is internal faith, a sense of confidence that you can live by that understanding.
If you believe that there is no divine entity then you also have no intangible source to vent at when your life fucks up, you then blame the government or others because just blaming yourself is kind of bad.
You then develop a faith based in humanity, other people suddenly become your pantheon, their fights, their romances, the things they control. Whether or not Susan really is the source of all Good Pumpkin is irrelevant, you have still trusted her to sell you a fantastic pumpkin, you have placed your faith and friendship in her much as you would a God.
"A happy Christian is one who treats God as human, like a friend when they're sad, and thanks them for presents, they know that God has made bad decisions in the past. A unhappy Christian is one who lets God and the Bible rule them and reveres them as absolute. They are just looking for a scapegoat to problems they don't know how to deal with and should wipe the brown off their nose because it won't give them peace" -Somebody
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04-06-2009, 09:50 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In Antarctica with the Penguins
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I just typed a bit about how I wasn't certain on either terms, which is why I expressed I was not an expert and that that first post about me being part of multiple religions was absolutely pointless. But I lost the post due to browser failings.
So I'll make this quick.
Jillian, you completely misunderstood my post.
Let me clarify, that I don't know what either term means and I was wondering if what I said was true.
If an atheist just outright denies god's existence or doesn't acknowledge it's existence. Then you could've just said that. Then I'd actually know what the term means, instead of you posting the way you did. And me still wondering.
As far as what I've seen atheism was always specifically believing in the lack of deities. Rather than just not acknowledging them. Like, acknowledging the idea of a deity but believing it to be wrong. Whereas heathens just don't even acknowledge the idea. If they are both the same thing, if they aren't religions and just simply deny deities existence then that's fine too...
I'll ignore the rest of what I was going to say, because it would just spark more unnecessary posts and I'd still be in the dark. So I'll just simply await your take on the definition of atheism...
And Pyre - Jillian never said atheism has beliefs.. I'm pretty sure the above is him most definitely stating that it doesn't.
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04-06-2009, 10:03 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Originally Posted by Pyre
Atheism can be a belief, an absence of belief, or disbelief. However, being a belief does not make it a religion, as Jillian made a prime example for. There are many components to being a religion that atheism does not include, such as tradition, faith, and practices. Atheism is more of a philosophy and can be defined in a few various ways.
And one does not need faith or belief to be Atheist, as you say, SCC. What faith need there be when religion is absent? And not all Atheists believe there is no God, especially since Atheism isn't limited to Judeo-Christian religions.
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Scientists believe in Gravity. They have faith that their research is accurate. And for all intensive purposes to include human error nothing is ever 100% accurate. Or true. So to say what faith need there be when religion is absent, I say plenty....
While I know faith/beliefs does not = religion.
I just happen to think that atheism was a religion. I am apparently wrong, I did say I wasn't an expert and was looking for some clarification between the words heathen and atheist.
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04-06-2009, 10:07 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian
Wow, how many religions are you a part of, then?
I assume you're at least in these:
The religion of the belief that I am not a girl.
The religion of the belief that creationism is not true.
The religion of the belief that you can't divide by zero.
The religion of the belief that Santa Claus isn't real.
The religion of the belief that brown is not objectively the best color.
The religion of the belief that we don't live on top of a giant turtle.
The religion of the belief that our god isn't a double-headed labradoodle.
The religion of the belief that I Can't Believe It's Not Butter isn't butter.
The religion of the belief that Zeus isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Mithras isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Medusa isn't real.
The religion of the belief that Hercules is a legend.
The religion of the belief that your favorite sport is your favorite sport.
The religion of the belief that you don't own a pink unicorn.
The religion of the belief that you don't own a pink left-handed unicorn.
The religion of the belief that you don't have a tiny angel inside your skull.
The religion of the belief that vampires don't exist.
The religion of the belief that aliens don't exist.
The religion of the belief that ghosts don't frequent Minnesota public libraries.
The religion of the belief that I am not god.
The religion of the belief that vitamin C doesn't kill you.
The religion of the belief that geocentrism is wrong.
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Sadly my unicorn is right-hoofed.
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04-06-2009, 10:10 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
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Originally Posted by MegearaErotica
Sadly my unicorn is right-hoofed.
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Hey! It's that hentai chick! =O
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04-06-2009, 10:13 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Sir Canvas Corpsey
Hey! It's that hentai chick! =O
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It's funny that people remember me by that. I've actually cut that habit and have been hentai/porn free for almost three months.
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Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you. If I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
-Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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04-06-2009, 10:21 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
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Originally Posted by MegearaErotica
It's funny that people remember me by that. I've actually cut that habit and have been hentai/porn free for almost three months.
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Hey! It's that boring chick who used to watch hentai!
Everyone should be required to watch/read 1 hour of Porn/hentai/erotic fiction a day
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04-06-2009, 10:22 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In Antarctica with the Penguins
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Originally Posted by MegearaErotica
It's funny that people remember me by that. I've actually cut that habit and have been hentai/porn free for almost three months.
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You've moved on to the real deal? Go you!
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04-07-2009, 07:04 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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So many mentions of greek gods... Any ways I wasnt calling him a nazi in regards to asking questions. More in the way that Hitler said Protestantism is the right religion. That whole your wrong im right mentality. Wouldnt totaly rejection of all things spiritual be a form of nihilism?
The Philosophy. a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b. nothingness or nonexistence.
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04-07-2009, 09:34 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Originally Posted by Mr E Nigma
I just happen to think that atheism was a religion. I am apparently wrong, I did say I wasn't an expert and was looking for some clarification between the words heathen and atheist.
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"Heathen", as far as I'm aware, is simply an archaic perjorative for any person who isn't a Christian. However it's a broader term than atheism as it may encompass other, non-Christian spiritual / religious beliefs as well as the absence of belief.
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Witches have no wit, said the magician who was weak.
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04-07-2009, 09:47 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Originally Posted by odinsXson
your still retarded.
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Holy hell, people actually make mistakes that are this ironic? I thought that was only on TV.
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04-07-2009, 11:13 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: The arse-end of nowhere
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Welcome to the forum.
Heathen or not, whatever religion you are shouldn't matter.
Hope you enjoy your time here. (:
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