The Goth genre

Anarasha · 11-16-2009, 07:09 AM

Hello.
As you may or may not know, I am going through a period of research and learning about different music genres that I claim to know something about, but lately turned out may be failed information.
Therefore, I am probably gonna be making a few threads in here with some sincere questions that may seem dumb, but all I am doing is trying to understand.
As the title hints, this is about the Goth and Gothic Rock genres.
If at all possible, I would like an authentic source for some of your info, but I will take anything.

I read somewhere that Goth and Gothic Rock are two different genres with Goth as a very "Doom and Gloom depressing" sound and lyric quality offspring of Punk and post-punk while Gothic Rock is a more rocking and energetic. Does this hold truth?

Also, I have heard a lot of you in here and other places who seem to know a lot about the gothic genres and scenes say that it has nothing at all to do with the dressing or looks at all. But how can that be true when the old goth and gothic rock bands did tend to dress up for the effect? Is it not partly true that the looks played a big role in the original gothic scene?

Yet another question would be, are all Goth and Goth Rock bands from the 70's and that era, or are there actually any real Goth or Goth Rock bands today?(not counting the still active bands from back then)

Also, are there any Goth or Gothic Rock bands through the misunderstood history of said genres that used growling vocals?

This is all I have for now. I thank you for eventual answers and help.

Still Jack · 11-16-2009, 08:24 AM

Man, we're not google, and I doubt anyone really cares about this sort of thing anyway. I listen to music I like, full bloody stop. I suggest you do the same...

Anarasha · 11-16-2009, 08:28 AM

I did actually get this info from Google, I just wanted to run it past the pros on here.
I too listen to music I like and leave music I do not like alone, but the history of music genres interrest me.

JCC · 11-16-2009, 08:29 AM

The specifics of the goth genre aren't exactly a secret, you'll learn as much anywhere else as you will here.

Anarasha · 11-16-2009, 09:24 AM

I suppose that's right.

Malice In Wonderland · 11-17-2009, 04:33 PM

Stop making these fucking threads.

csuewas · 11-17-2009, 05:04 PM

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gothicusmaximus · 11-17-2009, 09:11 PM

Go to a fucking bookstore, buy a copy of Moby-Dick, and read it. Don't even think for a second about 'researching the goth genre' until you're finished. In fact, don't eat anything or get off the exercise bike until you're finished, you fat piece of shit.

Not Tha Duckman · 11-17-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Malice In Wonderland

Stop making these fucking threads.

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Krick Wurkheiser · 11-17-2009, 09:18 PM

Ok, I can't answer the last two, but I might as well give the first two a shot. It would be better for people to stay out of threads they don't like, instead of going in with nothing useful to add. If a thread is stupid/'stupid', leave it alone.

Alright. As far as I'm aware, "Goth" is an abbreviation of the term "Gothic rock". This covers quite a lot, from the classic 'doom and gloom' post-punk, known at the time as "positive punk" due to its relative lack of aggression, through styles such as deathrock (classic gothic rock/punk) and gothabilly (rockabilly music with a dark sound and lyrics with morbid themes). I've not been aware of a difference between those terms, Goth and Gothic rock.

As to the fashion, as with punk the music (and often the ideals) are the heart of the culture, for instance advocating freedom of expression and so forth. However, anybody who claims there is no fashion involved is very wrong. The fashion is important as artistic expression, and expression of tastes and beliefs and a way to show others who you are. It shouldn't be used to try to be cool/popular and it definitely shouldn't just be copied.. make it your own. Wear whatever you like, but Gothic clothes tend to be black and such. For some reason. It fits, I suppose.

gothicusmaximus · 11-17-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Krick Wurkheiser

Ok, I can't answer the last two, but I might as well give the first two a shot. It would be better for people to stay out of threads they don't like, instead of going in with nothing useful to add.

You think your deft paraphrase of Goth Subculture's wikipedia article is more useful to Anarasha than the suggestion that he stop making these fucking threads? You're the one indulging his piteous display of excessive enthusiasm for 'researching' musical genres, which he only puts forth because he believes it will secure him the social validation he desperately craves from gothic fucking dot net. We're encouraging him to stop being a sniveling imbecile and do something worthwhile with his time.

Not Tha Duckman · 11-17-2009, 09:43 PM

He's a good guy, just misplacing all of his priorities.

Anarasha, IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME, genres are for people that run HMV.

Lolly PopMuzik · 11-17-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarasha

If I type more tired goffity goff shit, maybe I'll finally be thinner, taller, go clubbing in my collar!

The fact that I actually had to type ThouShaltNot lyrics in response to this means you should to give up the ghost with the quickness.

Anarasha · 11-18-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

You think your deft paraphrase of Goth Subculture's wikipedia article is more useful to Anarasha than the suggestion that he stop making these fucking threads? You're the one indulging his piteous display of excessive enthusiasm for 'researching' musical genres, which he only puts forth because he believes it will secure him the social validation he desperately craves from gothic fucking dot net. We're encouraging him to stop being a sniveling imbecile and do something worthwhile with his time.

You have misunderstood my desire to learn about music genres. I don't fucking care whether or not people in here like me or not, if I did, I would have left a long time ago. I am well aware that a lot of people in here including you hate me.
But did you ever stop to think that maybe I am researching music genres for me, not for you? I value information and I am interrested in music genres, and I had the failed impression that people in here knew something about these different genres through a longer time as a music fan than I do, and therefore I believed that these people could help me in my studies, but I see that this is in fact not the case.
You are no more informed than I can be by reading the sources by typing in Google.

Edited in: But yes, all of you, I will be the first to admit, I am not tall or thin, neither am I really popular. Yes, I am lonely and therefore spend my time researching useless information to keep myself busy. But I am clear about it, and I can live with it. YOU are the ones with the need to point it out, therefore saying more about yourselves and your appearent need to make assumptions about my motives.
I may be a loser with my priorities on useless and non-constructive things, but how about you?
Think on that.

Not Tha Duckman · 11-18-2009, 01:32 AM

If you were more belligerent, you'd remind me of me when I was younger.

Anarasha · 11-18-2009, 01:38 AM

I will take that as a good thing Duckie.

It never ceases to amuse me how people in here believe that the world centers around them and this board at all times, yet they accuse me of being the only one in here who has that view when in truth that is not so.
Appearently, both gothicus and Malice In Wonderland believes that I will in fact crawl into a dark corner and cry at their oh so horrible burns based on a misunderstanding of my interrests. They need to learn that the world does not in fact revolve around them, nor does it revolve around this board.
Let me inform you here:
The world's course is around the sun. This board is not the sun. Deal with it.

Not Tha Duckman · 11-18-2009, 01:43 AM

I doubt they want or expect you to go cry under the stairs. I see it as more an attempt at getting you to go out and make something of yrself, rather than trying to understand something as pointless as musical genres or whatever. Go read a book, make a movie, become snot flicking champ of Denmark or something.

Just please, for the love of God, stop making threads like this.

Not Tha Duckman · 11-18-2009, 01:44 AM

Also, GM is cranky.

Anarasha · 11-18-2009, 01:45 AM

I suppose that holds some truth.
As stated earlier though, music genres interrest me, and I really do have nothing better to do.
Aye, agreed. I have never seen GM post anything OTHER than flames. Nor have I ever seen him make a thread of his own.

Not Tha Duckman · 11-18-2009, 01:49 AM

He posts some funny shit. I have to give him that.

Dude, there's ALWAYS something to do. You just gotta DO IT.

Anarasha · 11-18-2009, 01:49 AM

Aye, he does. I enjoy his long wordy rants.
And yes, I suppose so.. I am playing the guitar actually.

Krick Wurkheiser · 11-18-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

You think your deft paraphrase of Goth Subculture's wikipedia article is more useful to Anarasha than the suggestion that he stop making these fucking threads? You're the one indulging his piteous display of excessive enthusiasm for 'researching' musical genres, which he only puts forth because he believes it will secure him the social validation he desperately craves from gothic fucking dot net. We're encouraging him to stop being a sniveling imbecile and do something worthwhile with his time.

I haven't been to Goth's wikipedia article... I don't know where you've dragged that one from. I wrote from accumulated general knowledge.

I've only seen two threads by Anarasha, myself. I don't think he thinks it will give him social validation - it'd be (more than) incredibly naïve to think that. For that, I see no reason why i shouldn't tell what I know - perhaps if I tell him, he won't ask again.

Krick Wurkheiser · 11-18-2009, 02:49 AM

Also, if nobody ever replies to these threads then that should be more of a discouragement than flaming them.

SiouxsiePernova · 11-18-2009, 02:59 AM

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If I type more tired goffity goff shit, maybe I'll finally be thinner, taller, go clubbing in my collar!

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Originally Posted by Lolly PopMuzik

The fact that I actually had to type ThouShaltNot lyrics in response to this means you should to give up the ghost with the quickness.

I always find your responses to threads like these highly amusing.

Malice In Wonderland · 11-18-2009, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Krick Wurkheiser

Also, if nobody ever replies to these threads then that should be more of a discouragement than flaming them.

You're wrong.
So wrong.