Gothic.net News Horror Gothic Lifestyle Fiction Movies Books and Literature Dark TV VIP Horror Professionals Professional Writing Tips Links Gothic Forum




Go Back   Gothic.net Community > Boards > Politics

Politics "Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule -and both commonly succeed, and are right." -H.L. Menken

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-15-2008, 05:59 PM   #1
KontanKarite
 
KontanKarite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Harlem
Posts: 6,909
Blog Entries: 1
So here's what I've been wondering...

I'm staying with my family for a few weeks and I'm amongst Republican company.

Good and fine, but now I wonder; What exactly is it about the Republican party that's so appealing to middle class or poor Americans? I can understand how it applies to the rich. I don't, however, understand the republican political philosophy in regards to how it's beneficial to those who aren't rich.

So... yeah. What's up with that?

What technically makes Republican a GOOD thing?
__________________
No Gods. No Kings.

Not all beliefs and ideas are equal.
KontanKarite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2008, 07:11 PM   #2
Godslayer Jillian
 
Godslayer Jillian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
Posts: 9,203
Morals. Obsolete and retrograde morals.
__________________
"No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world.

I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
-Mikhail Bakunin

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
Godslayer Jillian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2008, 07:16 PM   #3
HumanePain
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: the concrete and steel beehive of Southern California
Posts: 7,449
Blog Entries: 4
That, and the belief that if you let free enterprise work, profit trickles down to the middle class. Until they realize that cost cutting to increase profits sometimes means getting rid of expenses like heath insurance for employees, raises, lobbying congress to get lawsuits against companies made illegal, etc.
__________________
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKm_wA-WdI4
Charlie Chaplin The Greatest Speech in History


HumanePain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2008, 08:12 PM   #4
KontanKarite
 
KontanKarite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Harlem
Posts: 6,909
Blog Entries: 1
I'm honestly confused about it because my family is smart. Crazy smart. But they are some HxC Republican people. Seriously, no shit. Like republican street soldiers. It's kinda creepy.
__________________
No Gods. No Kings.

Not all beliefs and ideas are equal.
KontanKarite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2008, 09:38 PM   #5
viscus
 
viscus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 1,472
Many people who wouldn't necessarily be opposed to social welfare, education, and healthcare programs get snared in on emotional issues like abortion and gay marriage, methinks. And then there are the "patriotic" (I say nationalistic) among us to whom the militarism and isolationism appeals to. And then there are those who just don't want to pay any taxes.
__________________
The Beginner's Quick Guide to Goth: 1 2 3 4 5

"Now some of you may encounter the devil's bargain if you get that far. Any old soul is worth saving at least to a priest, but not every soul is worth buying. So you can take the offer as a compliment."

-William S. Burroughs

You're not entitled to your opinion.
viscus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2008, 12:15 AM   #6
Splintered
 
Splintered's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Out of my mind.
Posts: 999
I have a couple of theories as to why.

1. The Republican Party is generally seen as the tougher party. The Democratic Party is seen as catering to everyone, trying to make everyone feel all good about themselves. The Republican Party on the other hand, takes a firmer, more "in your face, fuck you" type of attitude.

2. Religion. The Republican Party has a firm grip over most religious people in the United States. Even though the Democratic Party has it's share of religious followers, the Republican Party has a larger share of vocal religious followers.

3. Appeal to conservatives in general. Republicanism, in the United States, is generally associated with Conservatism. In the grand scheme of things, the United States is a conservative country, and therefore will attract a large number of conservatives, even if the conservatives don't understand the issue.

4. Reagan. Ronald Reagan is still immensely popular in the United States. Ronald Reagan was also a firm Republican during his presidency, despite the fact that he was previously a Democrat. Seeing as how many people liked Reagan when they were children, and now are the Middle Class, they like the idea of another Reagan-esque Republican president.

5. Appeal on a few key issues. Abortion, Gay Marriage, and Gun Control. Most people who feel strongly about these issues, in my opinion, hold them in the very highest regard over all other issues. Therefore, anyone who feels strongly against Abortion will most likely be a Republican, despite all their other beliefs. Anyone who feels strongly against Gay Marriage will most likely be a Republican, despite their other beliefs. Finally, those who feel strongly for firearm ownership, will be a Republican, despite all of their beliefs.

Those are just my theories. There are always exceptions to them.
__________________
"What have I taken away from you?"
"My irlelaulsiitoyn!."
Splintered is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2008, 12:37 AM   #7
Wormboy
 
Wormboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Temple of Love
Posts: 1,641
Some people are idiots. By the way, Reagan blows.
__________________
NyQuil – the stuffy, sneezy, why-the-heck-is-the-room-spinning medicine

Kontan - "Eventually, you ended up looking like the freaking grim reaper towards the end of the game.
Now we got this cracked out jungle hobo...."
Wormboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2008, 01:45 AM   #8
CptSternn
 
CptSternn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,587
Kon -

Look at the above for many reasons. I agree with pretty much all of them.

It's like this...

First, republicans sell what people want to hear. 'No new taxes'. They always claim they can give more without taxing. Its kinda true, bush has spent trillions and not raised any taxes. The thing is, SOMEONE is going to have to pay that money back. Under reagan he did the same thing - increased spending and then left office and left the mess for the next guy. The republican party does this and then claims it wasn't them who raised taxes. Its like wrecking your house, waiting for your brother to come home, and leaving so your parents think it was him, but on a larger scale.

Second, they claim to be 'tough' on crime. They are. The do things like increase penalties for various crimes and increase police spending. That being said, statistics show these sorts of things have no bearing on crime, and actually make social problems worse so crime actually increases. The government goes out of its way to 'fix' the numbers to try to disprove this, but you can't really change this reality no matter what your numbers say. The average joe doesn't research numbers so they take it at face value, much like the 'no taxes' line and think they are getting a deal when the reality is they are getting screwed.

Next we have the military aspect. The right-wing republicans like to sell the people on military spending, invading enemies, proving we are 'men'. They basically use the same mantra jocks and bullies use in high school to get men to act like animals in efforts to do things that would not be acceptable in a normal society. They use tactics like propaganda, and of course their favourite, demonification. By that I mean they pick a whipping boy, then get everyone to hate them to make themselves feel better. If your not picking on the whipping boy, then your not one of the cool kids. In the early 1900's it was the blacks. Then it was the Vietnameese. Then the Russians/commies. Now we have the Arabs. Your not cool unless you hate pinko commies! Lets go hunt them down! Wait, now we aren't men unless we hunt down 'towel heads' or whatever deragatory term they are using today to belittle a race of people to make themselves feel bigger.

Finally we have the money issue. Social welfare is bad. Only poor minorities get it, and they use it to buy drugs. Thats what they preach. Get rid of social spending and use that money for more guns! The reality is there would be less crime if the US government had a dole system and helped in other social aspects like socialise medicine. That however will never happen as long as corporate America is running the party.

Anyway, thats a brief overview. Hope it helps.
CptSternn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2008, 01:54 AM   #9
KontanKarite
 
KontanKarite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Harlem
Posts: 6,909
Blog Entries: 1
Well, duh. I know all that guys. What I want to know is what is BENEFICIAL about the party. There's got to be something.

I guess it's hard for me to believe that people will just join the party that's more Christian or more this or that. I mean, hell, the anti-Christ is supposed to be "Christian" for crying out loud.
__________________
No Gods. No Kings.

Not all beliefs and ideas are equal.
KontanKarite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2008, 06:40 AM   #10
viscus
 
viscus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 1,472
Beneficial? Well, the depends on your values, doesn't it?

Low taxes, I suppose everyone likes that. Of course, it's counteracted by the massive amounts of debt spending the government does on defense.

"Defense"...talk about dumping barrels of money into the ocean.
__________________
The Beginner's Quick Guide to Goth: 1 2 3 4 5

"Now some of you may encounter the devil's bargain if you get that far. Any old soul is worth saving at least to a priest, but not every soul is worth buying. So you can take the offer as a compliment."

-William S. Burroughs

You're not entitled to your opinion.
viscus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2008, 07:00 AM   #11
CptSternn
 
CptSternn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,587
The reality is, there is no real benefit.

Ironically, most of the stuff the party touts as good is actually bad. The benefits actually hurt the average joe soap in America.

Even more so, people think tax cuts for the rich are good and getting rid of social services is a benefit to them personally, but the reailty is such things only benefit the top 15% of America, a few hundred thousand out of 300,000 million. Anyone who makes less than that and supports republicans is an undereducated idiot who has no grasp of economics.

The republican party also panders to the god-squad - appearing to be pro-family by bashing gays and being 'tough' on crime, but again, they actually cause more crime, more war/death, and only invoke the name of God when it is beneficial to get more votes. Their party is the one that has had more pedos, more embezzlement, more illegal payoffs than any other party in US history. They are chock full of criminals who use God as a weapon much like they use 'patriotism'.

So why are they beneficial? They aren't. They just have people thinking they are. They do so by waving the flag and Bible around making people assume they are doing things in the best interests of God and country, but the reality is, they aren't.

People who make less than 100,000 a year that support them have been brainwashed, plain and simple. Your better off asking one of them why they support the party. Once ye have their answer, then sit back and think about the irony.

Whatever reason they give you, whatever it is they feel makes the republican party beneficial or the reason they support them, I can promise you its something they have been misled to believe is true.

Give me any real answer and I'll give you links with documented proof to show you this.
CptSternn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 03:41 PM   #12
Wormboy
 
Wormboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Temple of Love
Posts: 1,641
Like the Democrats are a bunch of fucking geniuses.
__________________
NyQuil – the stuffy, sneezy, why-the-heck-is-the-room-spinning medicine

Kontan - "Eventually, you ended up looking like the freaking grim reaper towards the end of the game.
Now we got this cracked out jungle hobo...."
Wormboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2008, 11:04 AM   #13
LaBelleDameSansMerci
 
LaBelleDameSansMerci's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: elsewhere
Posts: 2,015
They're at least better than the Republicans. Republicans are only good for rich people who live in gated communities with their heads up their asses. If the country in question was full of such people, then great! But one could not have such a country and still function.

The problem with Republicans is that they don't understand that if you're horrible to people, they won't like you, and it will just compound your problems. If you want to reduce theft, give people enough that they don't have to steal just to survive. If you want people to stop driving planes into your buildings, don't keep killing them off.
It's called "prevention."
__________________
Twinkle, twinkle, little bat
How I wonder where you're at.
Up above the world you fly
Like a tea-tray in the sky.

LaBelleDameSansMerci is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:52 AM.