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Old 01-07-2013, 08:49 PM   #1
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Conspiracy AHOY (for reals)

So you guys remember when I was talking about narrative and my trepidation about the stuff I was seeing in the mainstream new about Occupy?

Turns out we have Hard Evidence of a Coordinated conspiracy between the FBI, Wall Street, and the Corporate Media to slander, defame and destroy Occupy:

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Revealed: how the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy

New documents prove what was once dismissed as paranoid fantasy: totally integrated corporate-state repression of dissent

It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves.

The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, in a groundbreaking scoop that should once more shame major US media outlets (why are nonprofits now some of the only entities in America left breaking major civil liberties news?), filed this request. The document – reproduced here in an easily searchable format – shows a terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council. And it reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens.

The documents, released after long delay in the week between Christmas and New Year, show a nationwide meta-plot unfolding in city after city in an Orwellian world: six American universities are sites where campus police funneled information about students involved with OWS to the FBI, with the administrations' knowledge (p51); banks sat down with FBI officials to pool information about OWS protesters harvested by private security; plans to crush Occupy events, planned for a month down the road, were made by the FBI – and offered to the representatives of the same organizations that the protests would target; and even threats of the assassination of OWS leaders by sniper fire – by whom? Where? – now remain redacted and undisclosed to those American citizens in danger, contrary to standard FBI practice to inform the person concerned when there is a threat against a political leader (p61).

As Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, executive director of the PCJF, put it, the documents show that from the start, the FBI – though it acknowledges Occupy movement as being, in fact, a peaceful organization – nonetheless designated OWS repeatedly as a "terrorist threat":

"FBI documents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) … reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat … The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted documents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country."

Verheyden-Hilliard points out the close partnering of banks, the New York Stock Exchange and at least one local Federal Reserve with the FBI and DHS, and calls it "police-statism":

"This production [of documents], which we believe is just the tip of the iceberg, is a window into the nationwide scope of the FBI's surveillance, monitoring, and reporting on peaceful protestors organizing with the Occupy movement … These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America."

The documents show stunning range: in Denver, Colorado, that branch of the FBI and a "Bank Fraud Working Group" met in November 2011 – during the Occupy protests – to surveil the group. The Federal Reserve of Richmond, Virginia had its own private security surveilling Occupy Tampa and Tampa Veterans for Peace and passing privately-collected information on activists back to the Richmond FBI, which, in turn, categorized OWS activities under its "domestic terrorism" unit. The Anchorage, Alaska "terrorism task force" was watching Occupy Anchorage. The Jackson, Mississippi "joint terrorism task force" was issuing a "counterterrorism preparedness alert" about the ill-organized grandmas and college sophomores in Occupy there. Also in Jackson, Mississippi, the FBI and the "Bank Security Group" – multiple private banks – met to discuss the reaction to "National Bad Bank Sit-in Day" (the response was violent, as you may recall). The Virginia FBI sent that state's Occupy members' details to the Virginia terrorism fusion center. The Memphis FBI tracked OWS under its "joint terrorism task force" aegis, too. And so on, for over 100 pages.

Jason Leopold, at Truthout.org, who has sought similar documents for more than a year, reported that the FBI falsely asserted in response to his own FOIA requests that no documents related to its infiltration of Occupy Wall Street existed at all. But the release may be strategic: if you are an Occupy activist and see how your information is being sent to terrorism task forces and fusion centers, not to mention the "longterm plans" of some redacted group to shoot you, this document is quite the deterrent.

There is a new twist: the merger of the private sector, DHS and the FBI means that any of us can become WikiLeaks, a point that Julian Assange was trying to make in explaining the argument behind his recent book. The fusion of the tracking of money and the suppression of dissent means that a huge area of vulnerability in civil society – people's income streams and financial records – is now firmly in the hands of the banks, which are, in turn, now in the business of tracking your dissent.

Remember that only 10% of the money donated to WikiLeaks can be processed – because of financial sector and DHS-sponsored targeting of PayPal data. With this merger, that crushing of one's personal or business financial freedom can happen to any of us. How messy, criminalizing and prosecuting dissent. How simple, by contrast, just to label an entity a "terrorist organization" and choke off, disrupt or indict its sources of financing.

Why the huge push for counterterrorism "fusion centers", the DHS militarizing of police departments, and so on? It was never really about "the terrorists". It was not even about civil unrest. It was always about this moment, when vast crimes might be uncovered by citizens – it was always, that is to say, meant to be about you.

• This article originally referred to a joint terrorism task force in Jackson, Michigan. This was amended to Jackson, Mississippi at 4pm ET on 2 January 2012
TL;DR - What? You didn't hear about this hard evidence of the corporate state engaging in an Orwellian-style crackdown on basic liberties on the mainstream news? That's so odd-OH WAIT.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:07 PM   #2
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Did BB or someone post this the other day.. or am I remembering things from dreams as reality again?
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:32 PM   #3
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There was also https://www.gothic.net/boards/showthread.php?t=31300, but this one's title is a lot more salacious.

Conspiracies were unnecessary, Occupy seems to be doomed to be irrelevant as addressing important issues became less important than the pageantry. As disillusioning as it's been from the sidelines I have to feel for the people involved that are/were actually trying to get something meaningful accomplished.

But yes, it's extraordinarily shitty that there were plans in place to murder, prevent, and otherwise harass citizens attempting to exercise their rights of free speech and peaceable assembly.
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That was the one that I was thinking of. Thank you.
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Conspiracies were unnecessary, Occupy seems to be doomed to be irrelevant as addressing important issues became less important than the pageantry. As disillusioning as it's been from the sidelines I have to feel for the people involved that are/were actually trying to get something meaningful accomplished.

But yes, it's extraordinarily shitty that there were plans in place to murder, prevent, and otherwise harass citizens attempting to exercise their rights of free speech and peaceable assembly.
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:07 AM   #6
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Too be honest this doesn't surprise me after what I've heard happened to some of the Black Panthers in the late 60's/early 70's.

Here's just one example:

Go to 1:15 if it doesn't start there and follow up with the next part.

Part 2 of the interview:

http://youtu.be/abWNy-h9Tuo?t=1m15s

Final Part of the interview:

http://youtu.be/iFi06XLK3hU
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:04 AM   #7
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Thanks for that BB. I'll watch it when I get home.

As for the other post...goddammit Jon, you disappoint me.

You're disenchanted BECAUSE you're on the sidelines and you're basing your opinion off the media you consume rather than seeing for yourself. I mean, just as a quick primer:

www.whatthefuckhasoccupydone.com

^ And that's really out of date, and doesn't include the big stuff like N-17, Mayday, the Rolling Jubilee, or Occupy Sandy. Nor does it include the actions of affiliated groups like Codepink and Anonymous NOR the numerous precedent-setting legal victories won by the Lawyer's Guild.

But no, it doesn't matter the ridicoulously HUGE amount of change we've allready brought and will comtinue to bring, because the "pageantry" has sapped ALL OUR RELEVANCE.



*I also love how you put the stuff that the State is doing in the past tense...like it and worse are not happening AS WE SPEAK.
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Yeah, sadly it is kind of a facepalm sort of thing.
www.thebaffler.com/past/to_the_precinct_station - Frank does a better job of rolling his eyes at the self-importance than I can.

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Yeah, sadly it is kind of a facepalm sort of thing.
www.thebaffler.com/past/to_the_precinct_station - Frank does a better job of rolling his eyes at the self-importance than I can.
WOW. Literally 4 pages of Ad hominem backed by the observations of white, upper-class, liberal, Washington insider who's part of the mainstream media establisment. It's SHOCKING that he disapproves of Occupy.

Seriously? THAT'S your argument for Occupy's ineffectiveness? Because we CHOSE not to become the Democratic answer to the Tea Party.

And make no mistake: Occupy "not turning that corner" as he put it, wasn't due to some unknown weakness of the movement. We were literally offered that option by prominent rich liberals and we told them to shove it.

Our lack of tea-party esque establishment liberalism isn't due to being bogged down in "consensus". The consensus was "FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY".

That's why we were harassed at the DNC. That's why the democratic delegates from Michigan left the convention, and joined us in the park, and lead our march: BECAUSE the democratic party betrayed them when they forced through adding God and Israel to the democratic platform, despite it being voted down by the delegates.

So, you just brought me four pages of some butthurt establisment liberal popping a monacle because a bunch of ANARCHISTS didn't want to back politics as usual?

Seriously, Jon...that's just stupid.

Tell me something: if the State is willing to secretly collude with Wall Street, to such an extent that it's on record that they're either allowing to happen or planning themselves, the politically-motivated murder of peaceful dissidents how exactly does joining the political establishment solve the problem of Wall-Street's control over our political process as that idiot you linked suggested it would?



Your post is bad and you should feel bad. Now go home and think about what you have done.

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I'm not going to give you links if you're not going to read them. Enjoy 4 more years of Obama. We'll be over here outperforming FEMA and the Red Cross on a fraction of their resources while wiping out ten million dollars of medical debt.
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"Tell me something: if the State is willing to secretly collude with Wall Street, to such an extent that it's on record that they're either allowing to happen or planning themselves, the politically-motivated murder of peaceful dissidents how exactly does joining the political establishment solve the problem of Wall-Street's control over our political process as that idiot you linked suggested it would?"

A reasonable answer to the damage done by de-regulation (or insufficient regulation as the case may be) of financial institutions, as example, is more and better regulation. Those financial institutions aren't going to listen to anything else. Why would they?
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The problem is, Wall Street was well regulated before they were deregulated by their cronies in Washington over a multiple decade time frame. 2008 was merely the culmination of that endeavor and we recently witnessed them attempt to buy the election outright last year. Sure, they lost but like any successful business they're going to see where they went wrong and start cranking out more propaganda to ensure they purchase it next time.

I do not blame Occupy one bit for telling the Dems to suck it after such inaction on their part.
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The problem we're dealing with is structural: it won't be solved by regulation because the ones who control those regulations are in the pocket of big business, so any regulations they put in place will amount to protectionism of the prevailing businesses.

You could kick out every bought senator. Remove every single wall-street crony, and replace them with wet-behind the ears idealist public servants and in ten years time we'd be back right where we are.

Actually no, we wouldn't even get ten years, because it takes SO much money to run for office, and because 90+% of the time the candidate with more money wins, candidates are infinitely in the pocket of 1%. The wet behind the ears idealists would yet again, start off in the pocket of the wealthy and the wealthy would use them to protect their interests.

You can't even blame them for it. It's how the game is played.

THAT is why Occupy's consensus model was so important. THAT was why we focused on building a new society inside the parks: because people in the west are raised to believe that our way of life is a totalitarian solution. That is why so much attention was placed on the park occupations, and that is why SO much money and time was spent slandering and destroying them from every angle. That is why millions and millions of dollars of taxpayer money was spent to surveil, defame and evict a bunch of hippies from camping in a few parks.

You're not going to solve this problem until you get the money out of politics, and you're never going to reform the money out of politics, because you're asking the politicians to commit career and class suicide. This will never be accomplished by working within the system, because it's the exact thing the system was built to prevent. The only way to deal with it is through education, community empowerment and direct action on a massive scale. THAT was Occupy's demand from the beginning: and it was conveniently ignored by the media.

What we need is a cultural revolution.

But that takes time to build...like decades at best. Honestly, Occupy has been making crazy strides lately, and is moving WAY faster than I ever thought possible - but this is not something which can be done overnight, and I guarantee you, whatever victory comes it will NOT be sleek, it will NOT be perfect, and it will NOT be what the established political class expects or understands: it will be rough, and raw and improvised and it will make alot of mistakes along the way: but that's how these things work in practice.
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So you guys remember when I was talking about narrative and my trepidation about the stuff I was seeing in the mainstream new about Occupy?

Turns out we have Hard Evidence of a Coordinated conspiracy between the FBI, Wall Street, and the Corporate Media to slander, defame and destroy Occupy:



TL;DR - What? You didn't hear about this hard evidence of the corporate state engaging in an Orwellian-style crackdown on basic liberties on the mainstream news? That's so odd-OH WAIT. DMW_05 says: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA.......*Takes deep breath*....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA.......*Nearly passes out from laughter....takes several deep breaths and counts to 10* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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