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Old 03-15-2011, 08:21 AM   #1
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Obama

In my opinion the president has said all these things that he was going to do as president but never fulfilled those promises. I, myself, cannot wait until there is a new one. I just wanted to hear what people had to say about the president. Just to voice your opinion.
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Old 03-15-2011, 08:55 AM   #2
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Wow, aren't you a paragon of political discourse?
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Alan. I'm just trollin' ya dawg. Feel free to ignore my sock puppet. It wasn't meant for you.
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you little son of a bitch! I am no got damn sock puppet! I am my own person and you and i are nothing alike and never will be! Go burn in hell!!!
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Guys, I use Nightwalker39 as a means of sharing my less intelligent points. I admit it. Though I will NOT apologize for my using this sockpuppet and will continue to do so for the epic lulz.
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:25 PM   #6
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Wow, aren't you a paragon of political discourse?
He asked you a question of your opinion....It's not like you're taking a final exam for political science 101.
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:31 AM   #7
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Anyone see the documentary inside job?
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Well i am glad that someone actually responded...sort of.
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No one talked about Obama except you.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:02 AM   #11
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In all fairness, Obama hasn't really done anything.

He didn't close Gitmo, he has actually ramped up the loss of liberties that started under bush, hasn't rolled back any changes, and worst of all if you watch the documentary Inside Job you can see he has actually gone FARTHER than the bush administration in turning over control of the government to big companies and bankers.

If you were to hold out a checklist and list all the things the right have done that have caused discourse in the country, you can also list things Obama has done that are just as bad if not worse.

There is no left alternative in America, only two corporation puppets you get to choose from every four years. It doesn't matter who you choose, the outcome appears to be the same.
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That was one of the most realistic words that i have heard in a very long time.
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In all fairness, Obama hasn't really done anything.

He didn't close Gitmo, he has actually ramped up the loss of liberties that started under bush, hasn't rolled back any changes, and worst of all if you watch the documentary Inside Job you can see he has actually gone FARTHER than the bush administration in turning over control of the government to big companies and bankers.

If you were to hold out a checklist and list all the things the right have done that have caused discourse in the country, you can also list things Obama has done that are just as bad if not worse.

There is no left alternative in America, only two corporation puppets you get to choose from every four years. It doesn't matter who you choose, the outcome appears to be the same.
This one actually.
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Goddammit Kontan, you trolled Sterrn and thus have inadvertantly trolled me. I see you over there, laughing about this crap! Your Troll-fu is truly formidable.

I will have my revenge, you block-jawed FUCKHEAD but for now:

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In all fairness, Obama hasn't really done anything.

He didn't close Gitmo, he has actually ramped up the loss of liberties that started under bush, hasn't rolled back any changes, and worst of all if you watch the documentary Inside Job you can see he has actually gone FARTHER than the bush administration in turning over control of the government to big companies and bankers.

If you were to hold out a checklist and list all the things the right have done that have caused discourse in the country, you can also list things Obama has done that are just as bad if not worse.

There is no left alternative in America, only two corporation puppets you get to choose from every four years. It doesn't matter who you choose, the outcome appears to be the same.

FUCK YOU STERN:

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As president, Obama signed economic stimulus legislation in the form of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in February 2009 and the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 in December 2010. Other domestic policy initiatives include the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act and the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010. In foreign policy, Obama gradually withdrew combat troops from Iraq, increased troop levels in Afghanistan, and signed an arms control treaty with Russia. In October 2009, Obama was named the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize laureate.
But no, because he didn't close gitmo he's a corporate puppet. You are a God-Damn retard, you are a slightly more coherent version of DEADMAN.

Has Obama been as aggressive as I would have liked him to be? Absolutely not. He's honestly been WAY too timid in the face of these Republican/TeaParty dipshits, but to use the fact that the America economic/political landscape hasn't turned a complete 180 in TWO YEARS is the utmost example of political twattery, which only serves to bolster the power of the unthinking right by removing liberals from the process.

In short: Fuck You, you're part of the problem. I'd wish you'd get your head blown off by a nail-bomb, but honestly who am I kidding, you Irish "revolutionaries" are goddamn pussies. The best I can hope for is you getting your hand singed by a firework, or maybe you'll get your head thwumped before you and thirty of your friends back down in the face of ONE baton Wielding Guard.

TLDR: FUCK YOU KONTAN.

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Goddammit Kontan, you trolled Sterrn and thus have inadvertantly trolled me. I see you over there, laughing about this crap! Your Troll-fu is truly formidable.

I will have my revenge, you block-jawed FUCKHEAD but for now:




FUCK YOU STERN:



But no, because he didn't close gitmo he's a corporate puppet. You are a God-Damn retard, you are a slightly more coherent version of DEADMAN.

Has Obama been as aggressive as I would have liked him to be? Absolutely not. He's honestly been WAY too timid in the face of these Republican/TeaParty dipshits, but to use the fact that the America economic/political landscape hasn't turned a complete 180 in TWO YEARS is the utmost example of political twattery, which only serves to bolster the power of the unthinking right by removing liberals from the process.

In short: Fuck You, you're part of the problem. I'd wish you'd get your head blown off by a nail-bomb, but honestly who am I kidding, you Irish "revolutionaries" are goddamn pussies. The best I can hope for is you getting your hand singed by a firework, or maybe you'll get your head thwumped before you and thirty of your friends back down in the face of ONE baton Wielding Guard.

TLDR: FUCK YOU KONTAN.

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I read this Half-way through and got tired of reading. If you want people to read your posts, i suggest that you make them more interesting.
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But no, because he didn't close gitmo he's a corporate puppet. You are a God-Damn retard, you are a slightly more coherent version of DEADMAN.

Has Obama been as aggressive as I would have liked him to be? Absolutely not. He's honestly been WAY too timid in the face of these Republican/TeaParty dipshits, but to use the fact that the America economic/political landscape hasn't turned a complete 180 in TWO YEARS is the utmost example of political twattery, which only serves to bolster the power of the unthinking right by removing liberals from the process.
You really should watch 'Inside Job', it won an Oscar for best documentary this year. They go into great detail about the banking crisis and how bankers used political influence to cause the crisis. They also go into great detail how Obama himself was just as responsible as bush if not more.

He brought in the very men who crashed the system, goldman sachs CEO's, to 'fix' the problem. The reality is the first thing they did is use their new position of power to keep from getting prosecuted and then used their positions to make even more money...at the expense of the American people.

Obama had his hand right in the middle of all of it.

But watch the film - they go into great detail about this.
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I read this Half-way through and got tired of reading. If you want people to read your posts, i suggest that you make them more interesting.
GODDAMMIT KONTAN!

Sternn: I'll probably check it out on netflix at some point.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:50 AM   #19
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I don't want to cross to threads...BUT...it is very appropriate here.

Per the topic of Marxism and the study of Marx...

Marx writes about some truly brilliant ideas. The problem is, as many point out, that many of his ideas can never be achieved in a real world scenario due to the fact human nature (i.e. greed, pride, etc.) always come into play and will cause issues.

Thats where Lenin comes in. Lenin put Marx into practice. Lenin was a Marxist, who put the basic principles into practice and found ways to work with human shortcomings. These ideals led to Bolshivik Leninism, which was practised by Lenin's best student and right hand man, Trotsky, who took over when Lenin passed on.

So why am I bringing all of this up in the Obama thread? Well, I am glad you asked

Trotsky put Lenin's real world Marxism into practice. This is what today is known in many circles as true Socialism. This is what is practiced by various socialist groups around the world. Per their beliefs and teachings, the entire world economy, politics, and everything else is based upon class struggle. This of course is a somewhat simplified version of things, I will be more than happy to extrapolate more on this, but the point I am making is many things people consider important are important, but in the grand scheme are mere distractions while the class struggle continues.

Let me explain what I mean by that and how it directly factors into the Obama thread.

The gay marriage debate, Gitmo, healthcare, etc. - all are very important, but all fall behind the most important issue which is the class war that is unfolding in every country and very much so in America right now.

The rich are getting richer while the poor are being thrown under the bus and being stripped of their basic rights. The issues above and others similar merely distract the populous from what is happening behind the scenes. Thats why I was very impressed by the 'Inside Job' documentary, as they don't touch on Trotsky or any of those themes, but do go into great detail about how Obama sold the working class down the river in efforts to turn over a large chunk of power and tax payer money to a small cadre of powerful, rich, elite bankers.

It doesn't matter what 'good' he does from this point on. If he closes Gitmo, gives everyone free healthcare, and is able to bring peace to the middle east, nothing can offset the fact he set back the working class in America by fifty years and furthered along a cause which in the end will bring America and it's people to it's knees, all for the sake of a handful of bankers.

This is nothing new. It has been happening ever since the 1960's. Even Clinton played a big part in this (they mention this in the documentary as well). Sure the democrats do 'some' good in their own way, but the reality is the trade off you get is very disproportional, and the average person doesn't even see what they have lost, they merely see the small achievements and do not notice they may have lost the war even though they just won a battle.

Is Obama or even Clinton aware of this and did they know exactly what they were getting when they made these trade-offs? They obviously engaged in this activity to promote what they thought was important, but that then raises the question did they do this knowing they were screwing everyone, or did they do it actually thinking they were doing a little good by making these proverbial deals with the devil?

The reality is, it doesn't matter. Their actions, no matter how noble, have caused and will cause great hardships for the common man.

Thats why I take issue with Obama.
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You really should watch 'Inside Job', it won an Oscar for best documentary this year.
Right, because having an Oscar means so much these days.
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Obama sucks, and that's why I didn't vote for the bastard. I truly hope he doesn't get re-elected. His popularity was dwindling down the toilet, and hopefully the Osama thing doesn't bring him back on top.
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Obama sucks, and that's why I didn't vote for the bastard. I truly hope he doesn't get re-elected. His popularity was dwindling down the toilet, and hopefully the Osama thing doesn't bring him back on top.
What planet are you on? Even faux news has been singing his praises since the bin laden shooting.
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What planet are you on? Even faux news has been singing his praises since the bin laden shooting.
Well, I'm a tough cookie to please. Even before he was elected, I didn't feel much sympathy for the guy; his propositions sounded way too good to be true. Free healthcare and affordable education for all? Pfff, yeah right! Too bad that guy that was found outside of his property, armed and all, didn't score.

Regarding the Bin Laden issue, we all know that Pakistani government officials were hiding the scummy rodent. They're still hiding other Al-Qaeda related individuals. Even after all this, The U.S. won't stop sending billions of dollars in aid to Pakistan, for being an "ally" against the War on Terrorism. The U.S. government is cutting healthcare and school funds to aid that low, putrid, traitor of a country. FUCK YOU, PAKISTAN! IT'S TIME TO CUT ALL FUNDS, DAMN IT!
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Free healthcare and affordable education? Please! It's not like Scandinavia has managed that. Fuck Obama, we should keep things unequal!
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