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Politics "Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule -and both commonly succeed, and are right."
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04-21-2008, 01:07 PM
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They just keep making laws/breaking laws, to get over.
Eventually (not that they are not doing it now) they are gonna slaughter or try to slaughter people and still claim that theie actions are legall and morrally right.
Im starting to think that being a "criminal" wouldbe a good thing.
Especially seeing as pretty soon being a "law abiding (sp?)" citizen will mean being a little bitch that gives up everything.
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04-21-2008, 04:14 PM
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That post is so erroneous in so many places.
You almost have it right, but take out the hyperboles.
Governments are inherently oppressive. The American government loves taking away freedoms. But genocides are made by zealotry, not bureaucracy.
And being a criminal is not romantic. Being condemned as a criminal, however, is. Most criminals thrive at the expense of other little people just like them. They're nothing but a small model of how the system works. A criminal is not a Robin Hood. A Robin Hood is a criminal.
See those little details? Maybe you did think like me but didn't express me, but you understand why it ticks me off.
It's like when I'm talking to my friends about how awesome political graffiti is, and one of them says something like "hell yeah, vandalism!"
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People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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04-21-2008, 05:58 PM
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lol... yeah Jilly
I get what you mean. Srry if I wasnt too clear.
But I wasnt saying being a criminal is the sense of snatching purses and doind drive bys. I ment more so in a robin hood style.
I ment doing the things that we should be allowed to do but the gov claims we shouldnt, and thus by excersizing our rights (even if they are not recognized) we would be called criminals.
So if they (the gov) define what a criminal is, and they start (continue) defining any one who isnt a complacent bitch who bows down to them as a criminal then I might not have a problem with being called a criminal.. does that make more sense...
Kinda like often times freedom fighters are called terorist by those in charge. And if someone who is simply fighting for freedom (in a non fucktard) is defined as terrorist then the meaning of terrorist has been changed and thus I wouldnt mine the lable, might even boast as a sort of fuck you to the ones who call me as such.
hope this is clearer..
P.s
Jillian Im curious about what you think of me? I kind believe you think im unintelligent/a fucktard....?
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04-22-2008, 10:56 AM
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Hillary and Obama are nearly exactly the same on the issues. Obama is just more charismatic.
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04-22-2008, 11:14 AM
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Hillary has much more experience, though.
Also--if she wins, Bill will be back in the White House!
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04-22-2008, 12:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZombiesNTea
Hillary and Obama are nearly exactly the same on the issues. Obama is just more charismatic.
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From where did you get this idea? Not that Obama is charismatic, that he and Hilary are the same on the issues.
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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia
Hillary has much more experience, though.
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I wouldn't say much more. Obama's lack of experience is inflated far out of proportion- although he's held federal office for only a relatively short time, he has been actively involved in community-level politics to the extent that he's nearly as seasoned as Hilary. They both pale to McCain.
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04-22-2008, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BLEED REBELION!!!
Jillian Im curious about what you think of me? I kind believe you think im unintelligent/a fucktard....?
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You're on a debate club, so you're not an idiot; although I don't like debate clubs.
I do think of you as the same attitude of "fuck the government" as the one with which you introduced yourself. Basically it's oversimplifying and generalizing problems.
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I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
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Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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04-22-2008, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus
I wouldn't say much more. Obama's lack of experience is inflated far out of proportion- although he's held federal office for only a relatively short time, he has been actively involved in community-level politics to the extent that he's nearly as seasoned as Hilary. They both pale to McCain.
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Honestly, community doesn't mean much to me when it's the nation in question.
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04-22-2008, 07:35 PM
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Just a quick word: Hillary won Pennsylvania tonight.
Boo. :[
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04-22-2008, 07:47 PM
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Sadness!!!! If the evil bitch wins, I'm SO going to Canada. She's just not trustworthy. What really pisses me off is the women who vote for her just because she has a uterus.
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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04-22-2008, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
Sadness!!!! If the evil bitch wins, I'm SO going to Canada. She's just not trustworthy.
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What makes you say that?
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04-22-2008, 08:06 PM
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The fact that whilst she was first lady she hid incriminating documents that were later found by a maid. She's also voted republican on almost every issue and is lying through her teeth about NAFTA and her stance on gun rights. Plus, what other candidate changes their accent to fit the people they're trying to bribe votes out of?
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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04-23-2008, 01:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raggedyanne
Sadness!!!! If the evil bitch wins, I'm SO going to Canada. She's just not trustworthy. What really pisses me off is the women who vote for her just because she has a uterus.
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Holy shit. You'd go to Canada? The ones saying they'd go to Canada kinda crack me up. Why is canada always a last ditch effort for getting what you want? If Canada is that great, why not go now?
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04-23-2008, 09:06 AM
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raggedyanne: I love your signature!! Nice quote.
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04-23-2008, 09:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raggedyanne
The fact that whilst she was first lady she hid incriminating documents that were later found by a maid. She's also voted republican on almost every issue and is lying through her teeth about NAFTA and her stance on gun rights. Plus, what other candidate changes their accent to fit the people they're trying to bribe votes out of?
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She's a politician...what do you expect?
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04-23-2008, 10:51 AM
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It scares the shit out of me that people would consider voting for someone who threatens to "obliterate" an entire country.
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04-23-2008, 01:34 PM
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Hillary is the worst things since burnt toast. She will say or do whatever it takes to get power, including change her stance on issues, take money from lobbyists, and run attack ads that unfairly damage her opponent's character. She is the worst kind of Democrat: by name only.
Obama, on the other hand, won't take lobbyist money, sticks to his guns, and most importantly, IS REASONABLE. If you have ever seen the guy give a speech, he doesn't pander or use a lot of the tactics others use to associate themselves with things that will get votes--he talks clearly and logically about the issues. Look at the thing with his pastor, or at the debates when they asked him about wearing American flag lapel pins. Who gives a shit about lapel pins?! He called them on it and said to stop manufacturing issues and ask questions that were important to the nation.
While I don't necessarily agree with all of Obama's stances, I know what they are, making him infinitely better than Clinton.
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04-23-2008, 05:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwater1110
Hillary is the worst things since burnt toast. She will say or do whatever it takes to get power, including change her stance on issues, take money from lobbyists, and run attack ads that unfairly damage her opponent's character. She is the worst kind of Democrat: by name only.
Obama, on the other hand, won't take lobbyist money, sticks to his guns, and most importantly, IS REASONABLE. If you have ever seen the guy give a speech, he doesn't pander or use a lot of the tactics others use to associate themselves with things that will get votes--he talks clearly and logically about the issues. Look at the thing with his pastor, or at the debates when they asked him about wearing American flag lapel pins. Who gives a shit about lapel pins?! He called them on it and said to stop manufacturing issues and ask questions that were important to the nation.
While I don't necessarily agree with all of Obama's stances, I know what they are, making him infinitely better than Clinton.
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Obama is purchased by the Nuclear, Banking, and Investment industries so I don't know what you're talking about. And his platform is virtually the same as hers. He just speaks more eloquently, while she's a cold-hearted bitch.
He's another bought and sold politician, with a comfy candy coating.
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04-23-2008, 06:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia
She's a politician...what do you expect?
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What is politics to you?
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"No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world.
I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
-Mikhail Bakunin
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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04-23-2008, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian
What is politics to you?
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I'm not going to act like I know much about politics, because I don't.
I do know that nearly all politicians who rise to prominence in this country bend the truth, and do things like change their accent to suit the region.
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04-23-2008, 06:52 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia
I'm not going to act like I know much about politics, because I don't.
I do know that nearly all politicians who rise to prominence in this country bend the truth, and do things like change their accent to suit the region.
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The only reason they're still around is that people keep voting for them.
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04-23-2008, 07:34 PM
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Meh...Hipsters like Obama. I'm not a big fan of hipsters. Or Obama. I don't think he's a bad guy...I just think that Hilary can do better.
However, I don't think that whichever one ends up with the nomination will become president. I'd much rather see Obama than McCain, but there are so many people that will switch sides to McCain if one or the other get the nomination.
I just want to throw in my two cents about Hilary--If you don't like her, that's great. But make sure it's for a valid reason (not that none of you have valid points, because you all do). If I hear one more sexist comment like "I don't like her because Bill cheated on her!" or "No one wants a woman in office.", I'm probably going to vomit. The same goes with Obama..."His middle name is Hussien, he's a TERRORIST!" Seriously? STFU.
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04-23-2008, 08:51 PM
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I just find that dear Hillary and I follow different moral codes. Sort of like Ghandi and Zsa Zsa Gabor.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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04-23-2008, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KontanKarite
Holy shit. You'd go to Canada? The ones saying they'd go to Canada kinda crack me up. Why is canada always a last ditch effort for getting what you want? If Canada is that great, why not go now?
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I'm following a long American tradition. When things go south, go north!
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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04-23-2008, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
I'm following a long American tradition. When things go south, go north!
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Yeah, thank you very much!
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bitch...
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This is clearly not intended to be an angry post and just a play on the non-existent racism against Mexico such as the type that whiny minorities and politically correct pussies try to squeeze out of anything.
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People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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