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Politics "Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule -and both commonly succeed, and are right."
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07-13-2008, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KontanKarite
No. Not at all. But you do have a point about the people, an inherent conditioned dependency on someone to "save" them.
I'll have to look into it about the famine. So a guy was given the reigns of an operation that people depended on and in turn, made it in such a way to where he benefited off of the suffering of others. So it just makes me wonder... Where was the solidarity? Why didn't the people just TAKE it from him? Obviously, I'm sure there were some that did just that.
As for the **** analogy, that's a little off kilter to the subject. I would imagine that despite the occurrence of the **** in question, some degree of struggle would occur, implying SOME form of self defense, even if it was as minuscule as mentally blocking out what was going on in order to self preserve themselves for a greater outcome.
A victim is someone who have had something bad happen to them. Victims are not helpless, well, rarely are they entirely helpless.
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I never said one should sit by and do nothing. Self-defense is important, but for the poor for whom every day is a battle to survive, I find your ideas quite disturbing. there are many buisness owners in LEDCs trying to break onto the market, but can't because of trade barriers imposed by MEDCs. "Free trade" isn't as free and you would like it to be.
It encourages a "dog-eat-dog" mentality, kill or be killed. I am assuming you are not a Christian, but how that can be reconciled with the Gospels is beyond me.
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07-14-2008, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by medbh4805
I never said one should sit by and do nothing. Self-defense is important, but for the poor for whom every day is a battle to survive, I find your ideas quite disturbing. there are many buisness owners in LEDCs trying to break onto the market, but can't because of trade barriers imposed by MEDCs. "Free trade" isn't as free and you would like it to be.
It encourages a "dog-eat-dog" mentality, kill or be killed. I am assuming you are not a Christian, but how that can be reconciled with the Gospels is beyond me.
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You're going to have to quote me as to where I said "dog-eat-dog" justifies any manner of violence or domination over another. In fact, I was saying the opposite. I was saying that the people should ALWAYS challenge the elite few, to ALWAYS "challenge" or "struggle" against them. That fact that people are generally not solidified, due to a lack of faith in the people, the rich CONTINUE to bully the poor and they always will until every single person wanting change will realize that's allowing the rich to dominate them is them themselves.
The only thing that I disagree with in Christian Anarchy is the stance on not defending one's self. But I also see it as a somewhat pure and simple pursuit that a lot of utopian believers strive for. In short, it's more like the end result of the world being USED to the idea of Anarchy and peace.
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07-14-2008, 08:02 PM
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How did free market came into the conversation? Most Christian Anarchists are anarchocommunists due to the whole "take all your money and give it to the poor" and "give Caesar's what is of Caesar and unto God what is of God"
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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07-14-2008, 09:29 PM
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Because somehow this newbie brought it up in some way.
Shit just gets out of hand when you've got one that believes in anarchy and another who doesn't. Oh well...
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07-14-2008, 09:47 PM
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Shit gets out of hand when you've got one that believes in something and another who doesn't.
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I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
-Mikhail Bakunin
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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07-14-2008, 10:22 PM
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Yeah, that's the cut and dry of it. Eh. Fuck it. No sense in me trying to be some kind of missionary. Let people come to their own conclusions.
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07-15-2008, 02:31 AM
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Well then , I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree
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09-11-2008, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian
Because Christian Anarchists do not attempt to create Christianity through Anarchy. They try to create Anarchy through Christianity.
By the Christian Anarchist code, we really don't need to respond to anyone but "our personal savior"
Sure, I'm an atheist, but I like Christian Anarchists. They are one of the best representations of what Jesus really stood up for; although I would argue Jesus would have prefer communism..
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Christian Anarchist Communism?
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