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Old 09-14-2008, 01:11 PM   #1
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Michael C. Ruppert

Here is a talk hosted by Michael C. Ruppert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy9JCDchk34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ1xkYfjfsU

I know is is more than a little long and three years old, but if you've viewed it, what are your thoughts?
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:14 PM   #2
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He has a lot of interesting things to say, but he lost some credibility with me when he said he thinks the planes were flown into the world trade center buildings by remote control: all commercial pilots can hear transmissions from other pilots in other planes, if all three hijacked planes had suddenly been taken over by Dick Cheney, the other pilots would have heard the doomed flight's pilots yelling for help, or total silence (radios sabotaged). Instead what they heard were orders from the hijackers to the passengers to remain in their seats and that they were returning to the airport.

So I think he is a sensationalist making money on the graves of the 9/11 victims.

But he does have some good points: the decline of available oil, the.
concentration of American military power around the Middle East oil fields, and the corrupt influence of Dick Cheny's investment interests on American policy.

Bottom line: I am not buying his book.
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:31 PM   #3
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Regardless of who or what flew the planes into the twin towers, who has profited, hand over fist, from victims of 9/11? Where was the economy at, and where was it headed pre-9/11?
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Old 09-14-2008, 08:11 PM   #4
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Regardless of who or what flew the planes into the twin towers, who has profited, hand over fist, from victims of 9/11? Where was the economy at, and where was it headed pre-9/11?
Certainly not some of the financial powerhouses as he implied, such as the insurance company Aegon who had to pay out billions in claims and suffered major losses, or financial institutions who were located in the world trade center towers: Cantor-Fitzgerald was one of the most successful trading companies before 9/11, but because they occupied several floors from floor 101 on up, and lost almost all of their people, they never fully recovered as a company and almost went out of existence. The idea that Aegon (who insures Haliburton among other companies) would conspire to purposely cause financial losses to themselves does not make any financial or business sense, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
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Old 09-14-2008, 10:11 PM   #5
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What do you think of this argument?

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:52 AM   #6
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It doesn't mention Cantor-Fitzgerald at all. This is the problem I have with Ruppert, only crafted and limited information is presented to paint a picture of conspiracy. I suspect that if all 9/11 related information was evaluated, there may still be a trend pointing to suspicious activity (because of the evidence that Osama and Al-Qada indirectly invested in a way to take advantage of the upcoming disaster) but that overall the same questions posed in terms of Ruppert's suspected companies, when applied to other companies he doesn't mention make it clear that there was not nation wide, intelligence fostered conspiracy.

He picks and chooses his information to create his melodrama. Again, to be more objective, if Ruppert's evidence was substantiated, why aren't the insurance companies who suffered losses in claims payments investigating? Insurance companies, when an event is suspicious, always look for a way to not pay claims, and especially if illegal activity took place, will bring it to light.

Insurance companies are the reason there are sprinkler systems in buildings (and now in some newer homes). Insurance companies are the reason there are seat belts in cars. If there was hanky panky in 9/11, where they suffered HUGE losses to their business, they would have screamed bloody murder. But they thoroughly evaluated it and then paid, and paid dearly.

Why doesn't Ruppert mention this? Because to describe all information objectively would cast doubt on the sensation he is trying to create.

There is a conspiracy all right, but the suspect is Ruppert.

But Cheney is still an ass.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:15 AM   #7
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You have a point. I am looking for some non-Ruppert references for your perusal now.
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