Want Perspectives from ALL races - Page 5

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Mond

They aren't. I was saying that she wasn't a minority and that she didn't need a lot of excess money, either. I wouldn't send a million dollars to Oprah saying "Sorry about slavery" because she's clearly not being held down by racism or after-effects of it.

I'm fairly certain Oprah has a hella lot more money than AngelikDemonik.

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

Dude, she didn't mean that you hated, she was talking about how you said it was okay for them to hate based on the face that several generations back they were enslaved.
If it's about what's going on now and not about what went on then, then you shouldn't have even fucking mentioned what went on then.
Also, as Joker said, poverty and minority aren't the same fucking thing

Why not mention it? When someone says "Waaaaaaaaaa I'm white", I like to respond with remarks on how much of a load of shit that viewpoint is.

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

I'm fairly certain Oprah has a hella lot more money than AngelikDemonik.

And that's why I wouldn't send her any. Can you not read?

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:26 PM

BECAUSE THAT'S THE PAST.
If you want to talk about the current effects then talk about the current effects.
Don't go around saying they're entitled to racism against whites because in the past they were ***** and enslaved.

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Mond

And that's why I wouldn't send her any. Can you not read?

You said "she doesn't need a lot of excess money" about Angelik and then used a comparison about not sending money to Oprah.
Oprah probably has much more money than Angelik.
Duh.

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

You said "she doesn't need a lot of excess money" about Angelik and then used a comparison about not sending money to Oprah.
Oprah probably has much more money than Angelik.
Duh.

Oh. Right. Because Oprah already HAS all that excess money. Silly me.

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Mond

Oh. Right. Because Oprah already HAS all that excess money. Silly me.

OPRAH DOES HAVE EXCESS MONEY.
You don't know that Angelik does!
She was just making a point anyways.

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

OPRAH DOES HAVE EXCESS MONEY.
You don't know that Angelik does!
She was just making a point anyways.

I just said Oprah had excess money. Parrot, much?
I don't even THINK that Angelik does.

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Mond

They aren't. I was saying that she wasn't a minority and that she didn't need a lot of excess money, either.

See? Right there.
You said Angelik doesn't need excess money.

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

See? Right there.
You said Angelik doesn't need excess money.

The "excess money" I was talking about when talking about Angelik was hypothetical money given to her based on minority ancestors.

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Mond

The "excess money" I was talking about when talking about Angelik was hypothetical money given to her based on minority ancestors.

I know that. What I was saying is that the comparison to Oprah is bullshit because we KNOW that Oprah doesn't need more cash floating around.

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

I know that. What I was saying is that the comparison to Oprah is bullshit because we KNOW that Oprah doesn't need more cash floating around.

I already stated why I think Angelik doesn't need more money: she's on a computer. I also stated that she may need it in the case that she could be on a public one.

JCC · 10-27-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Mond

It's never me. It's always the other guy, isn't it? I didn't shoot you in the foot, so why should I help the wound heal?

This is a completely different argument than that blacks should be allowed to be insulting to whites.

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

BECAUSE THAT'S THE PAST.
If you want to talk about the current effects then talk about the current effects.
Don't go around saying they're entitled to racism against whites because in the past they were ***** and enslaved by relatives I didn't even know.

You never replied to this.

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

You never replied to this.

Probably because it's crap. =)

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Mond

Probably because it's crap. =)

That's a great argument right there.
Just saying it's crap instead of coming up with a relevant rebuttal.
Well done!

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

That's a great argument right there.
Just saying it's crap instead of coming up with a relevant rebuttal.
Well done!

Fine. It's crap because it denies the effect of the past on the present.

~~Auriel~~ · 10-27-2008, 04:56 PM

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Fine. It's crap because it denies the effect of the past on the present.

While you bring up a good point, do you honestly think that holding onto things that happen in the past are going to be progressive in today's society?

Albert Mond · 10-27-2008, 04:59 PM

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While you bring up a good point, do you honestly think that holding onto things that happen in the past are going to be progressive in today's society?

No. But I think that if people were decent that "my race enslaved yours not long ago and has been an arse to yours ever since" would be a perfect call to help said other race out. I don't claim to be decent. That's just what I think.

TheBloodEternity · 10-27-2008, 04:59 PM

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Fine. It's crap because it denies the effect of the past on the present.

Wow.
Saying: "after centuries of oppression, racism is still alive and well" is different from saying "my ancestors oppressed them and even though I'm not personally racist, I'm totally okay with them being biased against myself and other whites who aren't personally racist because our ancestors oppressed their ancestors."
Even if most whites now are racist fucks, that doesn't give them the right to discriminate against' every white any more than you have the right to think every black is a filthy n*gger.
Holding onto either won't help a damn thing.

JCC · 10-27-2008, 05:18 PM

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Wow.
Saying: "after centuries of oppression, racism is still alive and well" is different from saying "my ancestors oppressed them and even though I'm not personally racist, I'm totally okay with them being biased against myself and other whites who aren't personally racist because our ancestors oppressed their ancestors."
Even if most whites now are racist fucks, that doesn't give them the right to discriminate against' every white any more than you have the right to think every black is a filthy n*gger.
Holding onto either won't help a damn thing.

We've all already said this and it hasn't worked, let's just leave him to boil in his own juices at not having much melanin.

MitsyMayhem · 10-27-2008, 05:45 PM

Sigh. I told myself I would not get involved, but I feel that I have to. I think both sides here are right and wrong. I'm black and being biases against every single white person you see is wrong. Case closed. However, let's not confuse being biased with being cautious and being aware of the fact that a) Racism still exist and B) You are a certain race. People should not even have to think about what race they are. It isn't fair, but in order to get along, one has to remember that it's been made into an important factor, more so than it needs to be. I have to remember sometimes that I am black, and maybe that's why certain people react to me the way they do. And some people have to remember that they are white and based on their skin tone, certain people will react differently to them as well. The best we can do is to try to be tolerant. And most of all realize our differences, and yet not make them into dividing lines. The last thing this world needs is less division. So if you're white, try to understand where your black friend is coming from (after learning about slavery in AP US History, I have to say it's VERY disturbing. After all the movies we've watched and books we've read. So far the whole year as been focused around the subject and it makes you realized that this stuff can not just be discarded and forgotten, however it can be, more importantly, forgiven), and if you're black, understand that not all white people are 'bad' or 'evil' or racist pigs (They were many who helped slaves, keep that in mind, you don't know if a white is a descendant of slave owners or abolitionists) Thank you.

KontanKarite · 10-27-2008, 06:44 PM

OK, I'm lost here. Am I to understand that in some way I'm morally obligated to pay some compensation to a particular race because I'm white and because a bunch of white people I don't even know were evil dicks?

If so, I'm not the same person or the same kind of white person or whatever. Best I can ever do is to not be racist and make race a non-issue. I'm not going out of my way to keep other races down and I think a lot of people are are saying this themselves. Essentially, I think the audience here has pretty much dropped the race issue because they've gone beyond the capacity of hating other races for stupid reasons. *shrugs*

I could be misunderstood. There's a lot of going back and forth here.

Godslayer Jillian · 10-27-2008, 08:41 PM

Ophelia, your opinions have honestly made me sick.
If you believe the social and economic disadvantages of minorities are brought by their own fault, you're really much more stupid than most people you libel as such.

AngelikDemonik · 10-27-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Mond

They aren't. I was saying that she wasn't a minority and that she didn't need a lot of excess money, either. I wouldn't send a million dollars to Oprah saying "Sorry about slavery" because she's clearly not being held down by racism or after-effects of it.

Actually, I wouldn't complain about getting excess money. I don't want it based on shit that happened to my family members in the past, though.