Eugenics

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

I find it interesting that people are quick to remember that the Nazis had a eugenics programs, but are just as quick to forget that those programs were based upon American eugenics programs of the late 19th and early-to-mid 20th centuries.

At what point have I denied that America had a Eugenics program?

Just because it happened here doesn't mean I agree with it.


But would someone answer the last question?

"at what point does the "Personality" being created resemble anything human after all the handy work is done and the papers have been signed?"

[Beneath the Shadows]

At what point have you acknowledged it?

In any case, eugenics can't be used to "create" personality, as personality is not the result of genetics. So your question is irrelevant.

[Still Jack]

How do you know anyone's personality is something human anyway?
Plus, humans are by definition animals, so the question was kind of redundant...

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

At what point have you acknowledged it?

In any case, eugenics can't be used to "create" personality, as personality is not the result of genetics. So your question is irrelevant.

Have I claimed that those programs never existed?

I used the term "Personality" as a stand in for human,because what would be created from all that tampering?

I guess my whole stance is irrelevant when talking to someone that views his fellow human beings as livestock waiting to be domesticated.

The whole thing about Eugenics that you guys seem to forget is the fact that it hands control of someones life to another.

I noticed that in a few posts people have mentioned increasing intelligence,there isn't anything wrong with wanting the next generation to have a higher intellect and a better grasp on their environment.

But who is to say that intellect will be improved by those in control?

Maybe the person pulling the strings decides that other traits are more desired.

[Still Jack]

Nowadays, moving entire planets, Large Hadron Colliders, Nuclear programs, terrorism and a bunch of other stuff people are scared about, a little bit of eugenics can't do that much harm really.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Still Jack

Nowadays, moving entire planets, Large Hadron Colliders, Nuclear programs, terrorism and a bunch of other stuff people are scared about, a little bit of eugenics can't do that much harm really.

You're fucking crazy.

[Still Jack]

Ahahahaha, says the prat that wants to shoot police officers through a car door when asked for papers at a routine check.
Also, nice Ad Hominem.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Still Jack

Ahahahaha, says the prat that wants to shoot police officers through a car door when asked for papers at a routine check.
Also, nice Ad Hominem.

But am I the one suggesting that humans be bred like cattle?

[Still Jack]

Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

But am I the one suggesting that humans be bred like cattle?

What's wrong with that? We treat animals the same way, some are wild, some are on farms and bred. There really isn't a difference.

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Still Jack

What's wrong with that? We treat animals the same way, some are wild, some are on farms and bred. There really isn't a difference.

That statement shows how little you really know on the subject.

[Still Jack]

And how much do you know on the subject sunshine? If you pull Alex Jones on me, I will hunt you down and bitchslap you back to 1776...

[Beneath the Shadows]

Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

Have I claimed that those programs never existed?

How can you deny them? You didn't even acknowledge them until others brought them up.

I used the term "Personality" as a stand in for human,because what would be created from all that tampering?

For one example.

I guess my whole stance is irrelevant when talking to someone that views his fellow human beings as livestock waiting to be domesticated.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not suggesting any such thing.

The whole thing about Eugenics that you guys seem to forget is the fact that it hands control of someones life to another.

So does abortion. So does the capital punishment. So do hospitals.

I noticed that in a few posts people have mentioned increasing intelligence,there isn't anything wrong with wanting the next generation to have a higher intellect and a better grasp on their environment.

But who is to say that intellect will be improved by those in control?

Maybe the person pulling the strings decides that other traits are more desired.

First of all, tell me, in this day and age, what traits would be more desirable than intelligence? Seems to me that any other traits that are improved upon would also require improved intelligence to properly utilize those other improvements, or would be purely aesthetic. Secondly, if we could improve any given trait, wouldn't we also be able to improve multiple traits simultaneously? Finally, who's to say that "the strings" would be in the hands of anyone other than the parents of the future individual?

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

How can you deny them? You didn't even acknowledge them until others brought them up.





For one example.



I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not suggesting any such thing.



So does abortion. So does the capital punishment. So do hospitals.



First of all, tell me, in this day and age, what traits would be more desirable than intelligence? Seems to me that any other traits that are improved upon would also require improved intelligence to properly utilize those other improvements, or would be purely aesthetic. Secondly, if we could improve any given trait, wouldn't we also be able to improve multiple traits simultaneously? Finally, who's to say that "the strings" would be in the hands of anyone other than the parents of the future individual?

You haven't acknowledged the fact that Eugenics can be abused.

The definition of Eugenics.

http://www.answers.com/topic/eugenics
Eugenics= The study of factors that influence the hereditary qualities of future generations . It may be thought of as both a science and a social movement. Eugenics proposes to improve humanity's future by increasing the number of children produced by persons who are, by some definition, superior and by reducing the number produced by persons who are physically or mentally deficient. Attempts to encourage larger families from superior parents are called positive eugenics, attempts to reduce the number of children from defective parents negative eugenics.....

Who is going to decide who has "Superior" traits?

Who can be trusted with that judgment?

What happens to those that do not fit into the "Acceptable" definition?

[Renatus]

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

How can you deny them? You didn't even acknowledge them until others brought them up.





For one example.



I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not suggesting any such thing.



So does abortion. So does the capital punishment. So do hospitals.



First of all, tell me, in this day and age, what traits would be more desirable than intelligence? Seems to me that any other traits that are improved upon would also require improved intelligence to properly utilize those other improvements, or would be purely aesthetic. Secondly, if we could improve any given trait, wouldn't we also be able to improve multiple traits simultaneously? Finally, who's to say that "the strings" would be in the hands of anyone other than the parents of the future individual?

I think one of the big issues with eugenics you included the picture of in your post, here watch the episode where Khan first appeared here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDboDUfbAe8 (dont worry, this link will always work since it is CBS itself who posted the full episode).

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

Who is going to decide who has "Superior" traits?

Who can be trusted with that judgment?

What happens to those that do not fit into the "Acceptable" definition?

You still haven't answered the above questions (Lets say it wouldn't be a choice for the parents to make)

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Still Jack

And how much do you know on the subject sunshine? If you pull Alex Jones on me, I will hunt you down and bitchslap you back to 1776...

And you would be one funny looking mother fucker walking around with one arm ripped off and shoved up your ass if you had enough hair on your sack to try it boy.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

Who is going to decide who has "Superior" traits?

Common sense? Like, opting to know that your children will be cured of Down's Syndrome before he is born (in the case of genetic engineering) and reducing the risks of a child being born with Down's Syndrome (in the case of Eugenics)

Who can be trusted with that judgment?

Who can be trusted with running the entire economy of the world?
Eugenics, just like production, are neutral concepts. If you do not trust the government nor businesses deciding the future of our genetics, extend that same criticism in regards to the economy.

What happens to those that do not fit into the "Acceptable" definition?

They're not born. So?

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Alan

Common sense? Like, opting to know that your children will be cured of Down's Syndrome before he is born (in the case of genetic engineering) and reducing the risks of a child being born with Down's Syndrome (in the case of Eugenics)

Who can be trusted with running the entire economy of the world?
Eugenics, just like production, are neutral concepts. If you do not trust the government nor businesses deciding the future of our genetics, extend that same criticism in regards to the economy.

They're not born. So?

You still fail to acknowledge the fact that it can be abused just like everything else in this world.

[Alan]

Are you anticapitalist?

[Deadmanwalking_05]

Originally Posted by Alan

Are you anticapitalist?

No I'm just anti-Human Farming

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