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Old 04-16-2006, 02:18 PM   #26
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You know, originally they said 10,000+ were possibly killed by Katrina. Of course the number was far lower, a bit over a thousand I think.

Same with 911. First reports said 3000+ were killed or missing.

But if I posted an article that said...

Hurricane Katrina : Not As Bad As People Go On About
911 : Not As Deadly As Reports Would Have You Believe

You don't think that intentionally trivialises the actual issue? Trying to 'downgrade' the whole metldown of a nuclear power plant seems to me a bad idea, and condesending to the people who died there or were effected.
Ehh... "Not As Bad As People Go On About" is not an appropriate title, as it suggests current estimates are incorrect, not to mention it doesn't exclusively refer to deaths. Maybe, "Katrina: Not as deadly as feared." I doubt anyone would use that as a headline, as not even the Fox Article's headline was anything of the stort.

But making a point out of that is the truth, as I can quote you admitting to this. Was it still devistating? Yes. Nothing in that statement refutes that. Did the estimated 10,000 people die? No. Is it a comfort that the inflated estimates, ten times higher than what occured in actuality, were wrong? Yes.
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Old 04-16-2006, 02:19 PM   #27
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I'm saying that what was originally reported and what actually occured are two different things. Much like Chernobyl. But to make a statement like that, intentionally trying to make people think a nuclear meltdown is any less worse than it actually is, is quite irrisponsible.

Just like trying to justify obesity, and other things that are detrimental to people.
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Old 04-16-2006, 02:29 PM   #28
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He backs the statement up. As does the Associated Press article you linked to. The writer in the Fox News column just chose to make that the main point of his, which of couse was an editorial, not a news article. It's like getting bent out of shape over a Ted Rall or Ann Coulter column because they try to make a point of one one little thing in an issue rather than exploring it entirely.
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Old 04-17-2006, 05:25 AM   #29
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A quick question, just for curiority's sake.

If you weren't an eyewitness to an event occurring then how do you know that every single report is inaccurately making things seem worse?

The way I see it, the only way we even know about anything happening is from other people's reports of it. The only way you even know Pepsi is in your Pepsi can is because a label says so.

I mean, you can do your own 'investigating' by checking out sources and the like but the way I see it, you're still trusting what someone else says no matter how it boils down.

Just a thought.
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Old 04-17-2006, 06:46 AM   #30
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I personally know many Russians, who were directly effected by Chernobyl. Their personal accounts trump any faux news article that tries to downplay the severety of the meltdown.
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Old 04-17-2006, 06:57 AM   #31
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But you weren't there. You only know because someone else told you.
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Old 04-17-2006, 07:04 AM   #32
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I didn't live through 911 or Katrina, and could argue they weren't all that bad for the same reasons.

But back to the obesity argument...

Obesity Finds Niche in American Marketing

http://news.**********/s/ap/20060416...HBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

...Seemingly every day, another study appears that shows the United States is becoming a country of fat people. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 71 percent of men weigh too much, along with about 61 percent of women and 33 percent of children.

As Americans grow in weight, their life expectancy becomes shorter — by as much as five years, according to the latest national statistics — more than the impacts of heart disease and cancer. Obesity is fast approaching tobacco as the No. 1 cause of preventable death.

The price tag to taxpayers, according to the CDC, is a whopping $117 billion a year, a figure that some health experts dispute, claiming the government numbers are based on faulty data. Not disputed, according to obesity specialists, is the amount Americans spend trying to get thinner — $33 billion a year.

U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona sounded a dire warning last month, telling university students in South Carolina "obesity is the terror within," and that unless people start getting thinner, "the magnitude of the dilemma will dwarf 9-11 or any other terrorist attempt."


*snip*

The CDC and the Surgeon General must be buying into 'junk science' as well now.
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Old 04-17-2006, 04:58 PM   #33
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What are you arguing? That this never happened:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...-obesity_x.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566448
http://washingtontimes.com/national/...4451-2201r.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Nov23.html
http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/525233.html
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_...?headline=2691

?

Once again, the columnist did their homework, Sternn. Their topic was this incident, which he has been critical of for a long time now. Here's a link to the 2004 column in which he began to allege that the CDC was making these statistics up (which was later confirmed by their retraction):

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113975,00.html

Read that ENTIRE article. It's about the incident in which CDC inflated their figures. What he called junk science was their flawed method for obtaining their figure... which was heavily criticized and soon retracted.
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