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Old 07-21-2008, 05:44 AM   #1
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Blergh

Has anyone seen this picture? Brown is really showing up Labour...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...l/20/iraq.iraq

The idea is that this is supposed to make him look like some sort of manly man, which he isn't. It just gives more fuel to the tories.

What a sorry state British politics is in....
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:11 AM   #2
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The gun looks photoshopped.

Brown, meh.

Our politics are better than many other countries (Zimbabwe, USA, Iraq...) Although still pretty bad. At least we don’t have the Terminator as PM.

On a less serious note, he looks very fat. Which maybe shows he's been following his policies about not throwing away food.
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:45 AM   #3
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I wasn't even aware that England had an election.

That picture does look ridiculous. He doesn't look like the kind of PM who can pull that kind of thing off. He makes it look like a bit of a joke.
[pause]
It might just be the photo, but he looks like he has an egg-on-toothpicks figure.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:08 PM   #4
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he was put in power a year ago, though he was never democratically elected. Personally I think the tories'll win bya landslide at the next general election....tis such a shame.

Brown has been a most disappointing prime minister...
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:17 PM   #5
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How is that a problematic picture? He's not even touching the gun, did you expect him to rip it off the helicopter for the sake of the picture? Surely you're aware of the problems in Iraq, and how the prime minister going over will probably be targeted? It's there for his protection, he's not using it.

Frankly, Gordon Brown couldn't fuck up enough to warrant voting in the Conservatives or any party other than Labour. Labour has done far too much for this country. His comments on pulling out of Iraq are honest and sensible and he doesn't make false promises. He's not that bad of a prime minister, most of the misgivings during his time as prime minister are the fault of his cabinet.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:31 PM   #6
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I wasn't even aware that England had an election.
England??? ENGLAND?!?!

This would be my personal pet hate >_>

The U.K. = England + Scotland + Wales + Northern Ireland

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Old 07-21-2008, 12:36 PM   #7
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Also, Tony Blair was never elected as prime minister.

The Labour party was elected into power, and whoever leads the party during their four year tenure is prime minister.

David Cameron tried to contest this, saying that there should be a new election because nobody chose Gordon Brown as prime minister, because he understands very little about anything, and was pretty much laughed out of Commons.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:39 PM   #8
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How is that a problematic picture? He's not even touching the gun, did you expect him to rip it off the helicopter for the sake of the picture? Surely you're aware of the problems in Iraq, and how the prime minister going over will probably be targeted? It's there for his protection, he's not using it.

Frankly, Gordon Brown couldn't fuck up enough to warrant voting in the Conservatives or any party other than Labour. Labour has done far too much for this country. His comments on pulling out of Iraq are honest and sensible and he doesn't make false promises. He's not that bad of a prime minister, most of the misgivings during his time as prime minister are the fault of his cabinet.
It won't work to his advantage that we seem to be coming towards a recession though. Whoever's fault it is.

Mind you, the Conservatives haven't seemed to have been doing anything lately, you'd think they'd leap onto the 'credit crunch' thing and use it against Labour, but I've heard nada.

The Lib Dem's seem to be rising in popularity, which, personally, I think is quite nice for them.

However, the lack of a clear political party in the lead is letting parties like the BNP in, which can't be good, I've seen loads of local candidates for the Bi-elections in the BNP.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:56 PM   #9
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The Liberal Democrats fucking suck, they have no legitimate policies, they meander around trying to suit everyone.

The Conservatives look at the problem, say 'Look, this is a problem', and then proceed to do fuck all about it. Plus, the Conservatives are just out to make money for themselves.
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He's not that bad of a prime minister, most of the misgivings during his time as prime minister are the fault of his cabinet.
Interesting that Blair stepped down early. Even more that he did so just before the Northern Rock crisis began, and a few months prior to the supposedly imminent move into recession (which has been coming for years). If you ask me, Brown got a pretty raw deal.

That's not to say he's not a pillock in his own right... let's face it, most politicians are.

The one thing which gives me pause about voting Labour (when I'm old enough) is the amount of meddling they've done in people's personal lives over the last few years. The smoking ban, the implementation of ever-more bureaucracy, the covert banning of "extreme" pornography (which most people don't even seem to know about, as it hasn't been widely reported). The Conservatives, on the other hand, take your money and leave you alone. Which is worse?

Meh. Fuck 'em all.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:19 AM   #11
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The Conservatives by far. With their new idea of monitoring people from working class backgrounds, it's the same old shit of some middle class wankers circle jerking over their own superiority and making money off the backs of the people that they victimise. The Conservatives can go die in a ditch.
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The Conservatives by far. With their new idea of monitoring people from working class backgrounds, it's the same old shit of some middle class wankers circle jerking over their own superiority and making money off the backs of the people that they victimise. The Conservatives can go die in a ditch.
For all the bitching we see nowadays about the NHS, I do hear a lot of people who are old enough to remember the 80s claiming that it was worse under Major. Instead of superbugs, people were apprently dying on gurnies (SP?) at ridiculous rates before making it into a bed.

But... I LIKE porn.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:38 AM   #13
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Porn's rubbish, you'll live.

Besides, everyone seems to forget that the NHS is a Labour invention, run efficiently only by Labour and was vehemently opposed by the Conservatives because of how Socialist it is. Labour can't fuck up the NHS as bad as the Conservatives would, because it's the Conservative interest TO GET RID OF IT.
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Good point. (About the NHS, not about porn.)
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Labour can't fuck up the NHS as bad as the Conservatives would, because it's the Conservative interest TO GET RID OF IT.
I think you'll find that Labour are aiming to privatise the NHS, and are making moves towards it, it's just not publicised, because it's losing money hand over fist. Look at dentistry, that's been the first to go.

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Conservatives are just out to make money for themselves.
Like they're the only politicians that do that... *rolls eyes*
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I think you'll find that Labour are aiming to privatise the NHS, and are making moves towards it, it's just not publicised, because it's losing money hand over fist. Look at dentistry, that's been the first to go.
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Like they're the only politicians that do that... *rolls eyes*
They're worse than Labour. If Labour's prime agenda hadn't been diluted over the years they'd still be working towards Socialism.
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I know a woman who's quite high up in the NHS (Well not REALLY high up or anything... Just high enough to know people who are really high up).


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They're worse than Labour. If Labour's prime agenda hadn't been diluted over the years they'd still be working towards Socialism.
All politicians do is try to get rich and powerful, personally I don't think they even care about an ideal, they just want votes.
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I know a woman who's quite high up in the NHS (Well not REALLY high up or anything... Just high enough to know people who are really high up).
That's not a source, that's a rumour.
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No, I know her pretty well, and it's confidential. (hence the vague-ness, she could get fired)

Trust me, it's not a rumour.
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i think the only thing we can even remotly agree on about british politics is that its all gone down the plughole,

i for one am voting for the monster raving loony party when i come of age,if only because they at least admit that theyre insane

the one thing you can say for all political partys though is that at least they are not the bloody bnp
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British politics is hardly down the plughole. Taking into account fiascos like the Winter of Discontent on the cusp of 1978-79 and the Miners Strike, Britain's been heading towards political stability for a long time and the current times are no exception. The beginning of the Iraq war was probably the last significant political misgiving Britain has seen.
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Well let's wait and see how well they cope with the recession, and that'll be the decider. Joy.
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Recession happens every decade, it always does this. It peaks at the beginning of the cycle, dips, falls majorly, and then works its way back up. I've no idea of the cause, but it's done it consistently for a long time now.
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The cause is lack of faith in the Stock market; next year when I do economics I will explain it more fully. >_>
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I would love to caption that photo. It's like you can actually see a cartoon bubble coming out of his mouth saying...

'This gun is an extension of my penis...'
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