Group Collects Bibles, Passes Out Porn

[tenet_2012]

A group of atheists at UTSA was asking students to exchange bibles for porn magazines Wednesday, and that has made some religious leaders angry. News 4 WOAI first broke the story at 6 p.m. Wednesday.

At a Wednesday night church service, The Bible is the bond between believers, but on the UTSA campus a group of students were calling scripture, smut.

“We consider The Bible to be a very negative force in the history of the world,” student Ryan Walker said. He is part of a student group calling itself the "Atheist Agenda."

Club members were on campus asking students to exchange religious materials for pornographic magazines like Black Label and Playboy.

News 4 WOAI’s Demond Fernandez showed the Athiest Agenda's "Smut for Smut" fliers to Pastor Rick Hawkins of the Family Praise Center.

“In my opinion, there are no atheists. There are fools,” Hawkins said. “So, that would be foolish propaganda.”

Other Christians we talked to agreed with Pastor Hawkins.

Athiest Agenda members said they got the idea from students in Austin. They claimed they were only exercising freedom of speech.

“I don't know one believer that would take his Bible and turn it in for pornography,” Pastor Hawkins said.

So far, only five students have exchanged their bibles for porn.

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[angel_dark_demon_bright]

The bible is only something negative in the eyes of someone who has never understood it.
And this isnt free speech, its a direct attempt to offend anyone who is christian.

[WolfMoon]

I don't own a bible but I can trade you an antique book of Shakespeare for some porn.

[Shi'ark]

At lest their trading in for something they’re get plenty of use out of.

[DarkIce]

Just trying to look for a bible at ebay...

*wohaaa-haaa*

[tenet_2012]

Originally Posted by angel_dark_demon_bright

The bible is only something negative in the eyes of someone who has never understood it.
And this isnt free speech, its a direct attempt to offend anyone who is christian.

I think they were trying to offend.

But I also think that they were trying to show what a pile of bullshit the bible is as well.

[angel_dark_demon_bright]

Originally Posted by tenet_2012

I think they were trying to offend.

But I also think that they were trying to show what a pile of bullshit the bible is as well.

So you agree with them?

And its not a load of shit there's more to than what has been stereotyped. Im going to guess you never went to church.

[tenet_2012]

Actually, I went to church.

Twice.

[Disfunction]

Originally Posted by angel_dark_demon_bright

So you agree with them?

And its not a load of shit there's more to than what has been stereotyped. Im going to guess you never went to church.

As someone who was once a Christian and is now an atheist, I'm going to suggest that perhaps you are the one who has been misled. Look at the bible in connection to conflicts in the past. You would be hardpressed to find a war in which religion did not play a part; it's not an impossible goal, but religion has surely created much conflict.

I once believed in Christian scripture, went to a Catholic school, etc. I believed in everything, but then I realized that there are specific holes in everything. There are too many conflicting religious perspectives to assume that there is one true right; to assume as much on the basis of faith is like playing Russian Roulette with your soul.

Could be Buddhism, could be Hinduism, could be this, or that. Or something else entirely. Yet claiming the bible as something is to do so on the basis of opinion; what is smut for one is not for another, wrong is right, right is wrong. It's a subjective value, and all of morality is subjective, even as it has been taught in the bible, as even as recently as a few hundred years ago the morality was very much inverted. Too many loose ends that can only be tied through external reasoning, and if the bible truly did have all of the answers, there'd be no need for interpretation. That's where literalists come into play, which also holds to contradictions between books in the bible and has no regard for the ever-changing nature of societies, and the broad differences between cultures. Perhas you are the one lacking understanding of the bible independent of the context in which it was introduced to you.

[angel_dark_demon_bright]

Still its not right to do something to deliberately offend someones faith. Just because they beleive in nothing doesn't make it right to do this. You don't have to believe in God, but you should respect that others do. Isn't this what the whole religious tolerance thing is about?

[WolfMoon]

I'm tolerant of intolerance and intolerent of tolerance!

[angel_dark_demon_bright]

Originally Posted by Disfunction

As someone who was once a Christian and is now an atheist, I'm going to suggest that perhaps you are the one who has been misled. Look at the bible in connection to conflicts in the past. You would be hardpressed to find a war in which religion did not play a part; it's not an impossible goal, but religion has surely created much conflict.

I once believed in Christian scripture, went to a Catholic school, etc. I believed in everything, but then I realized that there are specific holes in everything. There are too many conflicting religious perspectives to assume that there is one true right; to assume as much on the basis of faith is like playing Russian Roulette with your soul.

Could be Buddhism, could be Hinduism, could be this, or that. Or something else entirely. Yet claiming the bible as something is to do so on the basis of opinion; what is smut for one is not for another, wrong is right, right is wrong. It's a subjective value, and all of morality is subjective, even as it has been taught in the bible, as even as recently as a few hundred years ago the morality was very much inverted. Too many loose ends that can only be tied through external reasoning, and if the bible truly did have all of the answers, there'd be no need for interpretation. That's where literalists come into play, which also holds to contradictions between books in the bible and has no regard for the ever-changing nature of societies, and the broad differences between cultures. Perhas you are the one lacking understanding of the bible independent of the context in which it was introduced to you.

No I understand it quite well. There are different interpretations, but maybe thats the why it was written the way it was, so that it could be interpreted differently and lead us all down the right path.
There are straight answers in it if you'll take the time to read and understand it. The life of everyperson varies which would explain why there are different meanings.

But the point I was making is that it is wrong to stomp on someone else's religion, only because you think it is wrong. If your opinion is that it's all lies then most likely there is something to it that you are not getting. It's not about how you are required to live your life, its help to handle what comes your way. Thats my two cents.

[angel_dark_demon_bright]

I do tolerate it. I don't like it, I'm sure other christians do.
I think thats why you dont hear about a christian suicide bomber.

[angel_dark_demon_bright]

*I do tolerate it. I don't like it and I'm sure other christians don't either.

Sorry, typos and a slow internet connection.

[tenet_2012]

Thou shalt be kicked by an incontinent camel, thou offspring of a squashed cockroach!

[angel_dark_demon_bright]

All I'm saying is that it is in their holy scriptures to kill all non believers. Show me where it says that in the bible.

[tenet_2012]

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showth...2&page=2&pp=50

See post #91.

[Mood]

I'm going to say the following with some grounding: Atheists and Fundamentalists are equally annoying in pushing their views around. Both should just stop.

[angel_dark_demon_bright]

Well let’s see…

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
Let others believe what they want. A religion hardly survives thousands of years unless its very good.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
If you’ve ever read the bible you’d know that God did not create people from mounds of dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
Hasn’t this been stated before?

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
Not all the children were killed. Only the first born son. You know what wasn’t said in this one? Why they were killed.

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
Jesus came to earth to teach people about the word of god. And to save their immortal souls. Dying after days of torture so that we would not have to.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
Ok knowing the earth has history doesn’t mean God is dead. That just shows that it took time for earth to become what it is.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
No, people will be given a chance to redeem themselves. Read the book of revelations.

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
How often do you go to church to believe this is true? Maybe because this is stereotyped so often that it starts to become fact. In that case I guess its true that all goths are dark and depressed, all black people are murderers, thieves and gangsters, and everyone from the middle east is plotting to fly planes in sky scrapers.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
Was this real credible research, of a random number to tear people down? If you give someone everything they want, they become dependant, and cant function when the real test comes.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
Oh, ok, so simply because I find I don’t have to constantly search for holes and contradictions in the bible that makes me ignorant?


Well Im not a preacher, ask one if you want better answers.

[angel_dark_demon_bright]

Originally Posted by Mood

I'm going to say the following with some grounding: Atheists and Fundamentalists are equally annoying in pushing their views around. Both should just stop.

As unexpected as anyone might think it, i agree with you. Plus I'm tired. We were digressing from the topic anyway.

[Disfunction]

Originally Posted by Mood

I'm going to say the following with some grounding: Atheists and Fundamentalists are equally annoying in pushing their views around. Both should just stop.

I don't push my views until someone else pushes theirs.

[Mood]

Originally Posted by Disfunction

I don't push my views until someone else pushes theirs.

Which is equally pointless, in my opinion.

[Disfunction]

Originally Posted by Mood

Which is equally pointless, in my opinion.

So wait... declaration of opinion against an opposing opinion is pointless?

Are you a hypocrite or are does irony follow you wherever you go?

[Mood]

My original voice: "Pushing views should stop"...then you say "I don't push my views until someone else pushes theirs." So I should say "Good for you"? I don't think so.

I stand by what I said. Pushing religious views is pointless. And we all know what it means to "push"...

[tenet_2012]

Originally Posted by Mood

And we all know what it means to "push"...

I don't.

What does it mean?

Please enlighten me.