What's wrong with Capitalism?

[vindicatedxjin]

Originally Posted by Despanan

Vind, you are a fucking moron if you believe any of that NWO shit. The sheer amount of effort that would go into a plan like that is astounding. There are far easier ways to conquer the world.

Nixon couldn't even cover up watergate, do you really think anything on the scale of what you are describing could actually be kept secret? Dream on.

Did I say anything about the fucking NWO? No. I was just stating what is really going on as of now.

So back off.

[viscus]

Originally Posted by the-nihilist

No, just another system we created born out of the desire to be more efficient that was fucked up by human nature.

I disagree, for reasons that I don't feel like repeating.

Originally Posted by vindicatedxjin

Did I say anything about the fucking NWO? No. I was just stating what is really going on as of now.

So back off.

Why haven't you burned to death already?

[Alan]

Originally Posted by Despanan

When did I ever argue for one sole government? I've argued against anarchism because I don't think it will work in any of the contexts I've seen up to this point.

While at this point I tend to think representational democracy coupled with a strong mixed economy is generally the best system for the world today, I didn't come close to arguing that it's the only option.

I would assume you should know what anarchism is by now, seeing how there's too many of us you pity.
So you didn't advocate for 'one sole government' but you do advocate for specifically 'representational democracy coupled with a strong mixed economy'?
Why have representational democracy and not direct democracy?
How do you arbitrate the size of this representation?
Why a mixed economy? Why tolerate capitalism at all? Why tolerate SOCIALISM at all?

You offer no answers but you still arbitrate on this specific type of government all the same.
Why not just let the people figure out their own solutions with their own community?
You yourself admitted that what works for someone might not work for the next one, yet you do not seem to follow this to its conclusion. Just what does my city have to to with Joker's city or HP's city or your city that it has to play by the same game of representation (or, historically in the case of my county, underrepresentation) as yours?

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Alan

Why a mixed economy? Why tolerate capitalism at all? Why tolerate SOCIALISM at all?

Why walk on both legs when you can hop?

[Stormtrooper of Death]

Originally Posted by JCC

You're a dumbass, RFID chips are used for tracking locations.

With the advances in technology, the chip could be tailored to fit any need that the NWO requires. It's just simple stuff here.

And although Nixon couldn't cover up Watergate, that doesn't mean our government is so completely stupid as not to cover up something bigger.

Plus Nixon was a terrible President who couldn't do anything right anyways.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

With the advances in technology, the chip could be tailored to fit any need that the NWO requires. It's just simple stuff here.

It uses radio waves to pinpoint a location. How the fuck can you tailor radio waves to the NWO's totalitarian ends, and how could the NWO secretly implant everyone with one? How is this lackbrained conspiracy 'simple stuff', as if its truth is self-evident?

[Stormtrooper of Death]

You don't need to use THIS model of the chip, you could come up with something more advanced using a different medium, it doesn't have to be radio waves.

Within a few years, people will WANT to have these chips, it would seem to "make life so much easier" for them. Plus it's already in passports and other things.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

You don't need to use THIS model of the chip, you could come up with something more advanced using a different medium, it doesn't have to be radio waves.

So it wouldn't be an RFID chip.

[Methadrine]

The NWO probably would use chipmunks. The bat shit crazy paranoid fellas would surely never expect that.

You don't need to use THIS kind of chipmunk, you could come up with something more cute using a different DNA treatment, it doesn't have to be purely breds.

Within a few years, people will WANT to have these chipmunks, it would seem to "make life so much cuter" for them. Plus it's already in childrens books and other things.

[Joker_in_the_Pack]

JCC: Don't bother, it won't help.

Storm: Go listen to Crustthrashdeathdoomgrind or whatever perverse amalgamation of meth-fueled music it is you listen to and leave the politics to the Anarchists.

Methadrine: I love you. That made my day.

[Delkaetre]

I offer this, as a useful little sign for half the paranoid morons in the thread.
For everyone else, please pin this to your nearest paranoid conspiracy theorist.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by JCC

Why walk on both legs when you can hop?

That sounds like a nice saying, but it still doesn't explain anything.
You're assuming that both "legs" are the only ones that can possibly exist, that both are equally sturdy, and that both are expedient. Even assuming that only one is sturdy and expedient means nothing if you can't prove it.

[Stormtrooper of Death]

Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack

Storm: Go listen to Crustthrashdeathdoomgrind or whatever perverse amalgamation of meth-fueled music it is you listen to and leave the politics to the Anarchists.

What the hell does this mean?

So now I'm not entitled to an opinion anymore? Is it that I'm not a "real" anarchist?

What has been everybody's deal with me lately? I'm being treated like a fucking leper.

Now I'm not try to bust your balls, I just want. some answers.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

What has been everybody's deal with me lately? I'm being treated like a fucking leper.

Here we go again.

[Alan]

Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

So now I'm not entitled to an opinion anymore? Is it that I'm not a "real" anarchist?

It's that you're a fucking retard that believes in NWO shit.
So, yeah. You're not a "real" anarchist, as if you believe in NWO shit, then you're just pissed at the world because of your own delusional idiocy and not because of a legitimate socialist concern.
NWO? Just with that you're more akin to Alex Jones than Emma Goldman.

[SweetJane]

The anarcho-capitalism of paranoid nut-jobs ISN'T real anarchism. Since the conception of anarchist theory it has been anti-capitalist and collectivist from one extent to another. You can't throw yourself into the mix with Alex Jones and Ron Paul-ites withou being extemely individulaist and propertarian. Oh, also retarded.

Why do anarchists drink aweful tea?

Because proper tea is theft.


Pun aside, back to the need for anarchists and anarchism as a movement.

Direct action in the workplace is the best bet for creating real change, at least in America. Right now the working poor mostly beleive that their destitute poverty is entirely their own fault and have little to no unity with one another. It's not realistic to expect them to join any of the socialist parties in America because they haven't been given the opportunity to understand how socialism works. Bourgeois assholes yellling at them that they're bad people for working at Wallmart or in a coal mine isn't going to change many people's minds on the subject.

Direct action, weather occupying a workplace or simply creating a collectivised organization that can give back to the community in some way (after school/summer places for kids, GED preperation or adult literacy programs, homeless shelters or soup kitchens for the homeless or underemployed, whatever) is a more effective form of activism than the afforementioned screaming nonsense at working people trying to stay alive. All of these programs would be modified of course from the usual structure in order that the people usingthese services contribute to them in some way (you can eat if you help in the community garden, you can help other people study for the GED once you've been moving along, you can stay herre as long as you need as long as you help keep the place clean and livable, etc) You can show how autonomy works without a bloody revolution that would easily be squashed by the military and police.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by SweetJane

Because proper tea is theft.

How I love thee.

[creature6]

[JCC]

Direct action is rarely effective.

[Alan]

Direct action in the sense of insurrectionist anarchism, yeah. But direct action in the form of affinity groups and guerilla resistance, it's the only type of radical action that DOES work.
Then again, here we're talking about stuff like French opposition to Nazi Germany, Greek anti-fascism, and the Chinese revolution.
For a first-world country, it's not that direct action is ineffective, but rather that effective direct action is completely pointless.

[JCC]

The instances you describe are massive community efforts. Most direct action is a small group of people with no community support doing something daft so they can brag about their contributions to social upheaval.

[Alan]

Exactly, so you're talking about insurrectionary anarchists, and that's giving them the decency of believing they're doing that because of a real insurrectionary philosophy rather than, as you said, to 'brag about their contributions to social upheaval.'
That still doesn't mean direct action is wrong. It just gets co-opted by the stupid and loud and we forget its real value.

[Stormtrooper of Death]

Originally Posted by SweetJane

The anarcho-capitalism of paranoid nut-jobs ISN'T real anarchism. Since the conception of anarchist theory it has been anti-capitalist and collectivist from one extent to another. You can't throw yourself into the mix with Alex Jones and Ron Paul-ites withou being extemely individulaist and propertarian. Oh, also retarded.

See, you're putting words into my mouth again. One, I'm NOT an anarchist capitalist, two, I'm not a nut job.

I just like to research conspiracy theories, becuase I find it to be interesting. Somethings do sound interesting, and so I research them further.

I consider myself to be an anarchist-pacifist, NOT an anarchist-captialist. so don't lump me into a group when you haven't asked me anything.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Stormtrooper of Death

I consider myself to be an anarchist-pacifist, NOT an anarchist-captialist. so don't lump me into a group when you haven't asked me anything.

Capitalists can be pacifists.

[Stormtrooper of Death]

This is true, but, anybody can be a pacifist as well.