Captian America movie is doomed...... T_T

[I Don't Need Eyes]

The one Marvel movie I've been dying for.....set for a 2011 release...after I heard about the cast, I wanted to cry..Cap will be played by Chris Evans....fuuuck no!! Red Skull is Hugo Weaving.....god why? just google image evans.....fag....hes no Cap....and Weaving.....why? it should have been the main bad guy frow Casino Royale....and Cap....the robot with a human heart from Terminator Salvation.....I really didn't need this shit......and the title has 'the first avenger' in it. WAT THE FUCK!!??

[Tam Li Hua]

I didn't even know they were making a Capt. America movie.

Does it have anything to do with the Wars comic series?

[Saya]

I don't like Captain America, and I agree Chris Evans is a "say what?!" casting choice. However, Hugo Weaving will probably make one bad ass Red Skull.

It can't be worse than the last Captain America movie!

[Tam Li Hua]

...there was a previous Capt. America movie...? O_o

How can I be a nerd, and so unaware of such things?

[Saya]

OMG YES. Its one of those things you gotta wonder how it flew under the MST3K radar, or why there is no Rifftrax yet.

Nostalgia Critic reviewed it last year too:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/vid...10915-captaina

[I Don't Need Eyes]

Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua

I didn't even know they were making a Capt. America movie.

Does it have anything to do with the Wars comic series?

Its set in WW2. Before the Avengers find him frozen. Hugo Weaving is not Nazi material btw. I'd say the annoying german from inglorious basterds. the one in the bar scene were EVERYONE dies. exept one girl.

[Ben Lahnger]

Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua

...there was a previous Capt. America movie...? O_o

How can I be a nerd, and so unaware of such things?

There was a Captain America serial released in 1944 by Republic Studios very loosely adapted from the comic books published by Timley Publications (later known as Atlas and still later Marvel Comics). In fact, other than the title, there is very little in common with the comic page version. His identity in the film is District Attorney Grant Gardner. He has no connection to the military. He had no Bucky, no wings or cowl and a plain .38 caliber pistol instead of the multi-purpose shield.

There was a Captain America animated TV series in 1966 as part of the "THE MARVEL SUPER HEROES" syndicated animation fest, which was really nothing much more than comic book pages photographed with a limited amount of camera pans over key comic frames to give the appearance of some motion, while actors dubbed in the character's dialog in voice-over work. I actually liked the whole Marvel Super Heroes show at the time (when I could pull in the weak, high-end signal of the UHF channel that broadcast it) because it was better than anything else of it's kind due to lack of competition ... there was nothing else like it.

There was the Captain America made-for-TV movie of 1979 starring Reb Brown, intended to launch a Cap TV series after Marvel's newly found success with The Incredible Hulk TV series. While not a particularly good superhero movie, it is definitely preferred by fans over the 1990 theatrical release. It didn't do well enough to launch a series, but just well enough to encourage a sequel.

Captain America II: Dead Too Soon was another made-for-TV movie released in 1979 and starred Reb Brown. Again, not the best superhero movie in the world and not the worst. Enjoyable as a product of its time, if you don't mind a bit of camp with your heroes.

And finally, there is the Captain America theatrical release movie from 1990 starring Matt Salinger (son of author J.D. Salinger for trivia fans.) There's good reason you've never heard of this film. From Wikipedia:

The film was intended for release in the summer of 1990, to coincide with the 50th anniversary of Captain America. Posters appeared in movie theaters displaying the superhero's iconic shield, but the film never materialized. Several release dates were announced between fall 1990 and winter 1991, but the film went unreleased for two years before debuting direct to video and on cable TV in the United States in the summer of 1992. It was given a limited theatrical release overseas. On January 1, 2010, the film was released on Hulu.

AND

The movie received a 20 percent positive rating on the film critic aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes, with five online critics writing a decade or more after the movie's release. In one of the few contemporaneous reviews, Entertainment Weekly critic Frank Lovece wrote, "The movie isn't merely wrong for kids — it opens in prewar Italy with a sequence in Italian with subtitles, and a machine-gun slaughter — it's just all wrong", and decried "[t]he shapeless blob of a plot" in grading the film "F".

So, the Captain America track record hasn't been very good, but superhero movies overall have suffered until recently. I'm hopeful but reserved that this will be a better offering, regardless of casting choices.

[Malice In Wonderland]

Chris Evans doesn't look particularly not Cap.

[Luv2H8]

Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger

There was a Captain America serial released in 1944 by Republic Studios very loosely adapted from the comic books published by Timley Publications (later known as Atlas and still later Marvel Comics). In fact, other than the title, there is very little in common with the comic page version. His identity in the film is District Attorney Grant Gardner. He has no connection to the military. He had no Bucky, no wings or cowl and a plain .38 caliber pistol instead of the multi-purpose shield.

There was a Captain America animated TV series in 1966 as part of the "THE MARVEL SUPER HEROES" syndicated animation fest, which was really nothing much more than comic book pages photographed with a limited amount of camera pans over key comic frames to give the appearance of some motion, while actors dubbed in the character's dialog in voice-over work. I actually liked the whole Marvel Super Heroes show at the time (when I could pull in the weak, high-end signal of the UHF channel that broadcast it) because it was better than anything else of it's kind due to lack of competition ... there was nothing else like it.

There was the Captain America made-for-TV movie of 1979 starring Reb Brown, intended to launch a Cap TV series after Marvel's newly found success with The Incredible Hulk TV series. While not a particularly good superhero movie, it is definitely preferred by fans over the 1990 theatrical release. It didn't do well enough to launch a series, but just well enough to encourage a sequel.

Captain America II: Dead Too Soon was another made-for-TV movie released in 1979 and starred Reb Brown. Again, not the best superhero movie in the world and not the worst. Enjoyable as a product of its time, if you don't mind a bit of camp with your heroes.

And finally, there is the Captain America theatrical release movie from 1990 starring Matt Salinger (son of author J.D. Salinger for trivia fans.) There's good reason you've never heard of this film. From Wikipedia:

The film was intended for release in the summer of 1990, to coincide with the 50th anniversary of Captain America. Posters appeared in movie theaters displaying the superhero's iconic shield, but the film never materialized. Several release dates were announced between fall 1990 and winter 1991, but the film went unreleased for two years before debuting direct to video and on cable TV in the United States in the summer of 1992. It was given a limited theatrical release overseas. On January 1, 2010, the film was released on Hulu.

AND

The movie received a 20 percent positive rating on the film critic aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes, with five online critics writing a decade or more after the movie's release. In one of the few contemporaneous reviews, Entertainment Weekly critic Frank Lovece wrote, "The movie isn't merely wrong for kids — it opens in prewar Italy with a sequence in Italian with subtitles, and a machine-gun slaughter — it's just all wrong", and decried "[t]he shapeless blob of a plot" in grading the film "F".

So, the Captain America track record hasn't been very good, but superhero movies overall have suffered until recently. I'm hopeful but reserved that this will be a better offering, regardless of casting choices.

This concludes Ben Lahnger's:

[Arnold]

I completely disagree with the choice for the actor. He doesn't look like a Captain. The Cap should be someone...not quite so arrogant. I'm not sure if I'd want it to be a 3D film either. There are a lot of those coming out lately. If it does though I still think it'd be cool.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Arnold

I completely disagree with the choice for the actor. He doesn't look like a Captain. The Cap should be someone...not quite so arrogant. I'm not sure if I'd want it to be a 3D film either. There are a lot of those coming out lately. If it does though I still think it'd be cool.

I always thought that Captain America's thing was that he's morally uptight and arrogant, but I don't like him anyway so thats probably my own bias.

And its not because he's Captain America! I don't like Captain Canada either.

[KissMeDeadly]

Originally Posted by Saya

I always thought that Captain America's thing was that he's morally uptight and arrogant, but I don't like him anyway so thats probably my own bias.

And its not because he's Captain America! I don't like Captain Canada either.

Captain America is basically pure propaganda. Like, literally. In the actual comic book Marvel cannon after the war ended he pretty much became the new Uncle Sam. He's meant to be the physical embodiment of the "American Dream"

Completely over-the-top 1950's cigar smokin' hippy bashin' red blooded American.

As for the actor issue, I still firmly believe that Nathan Fillion would be the best choice. Nobody else could pull of such a ridiculous character. Hugo's gonna be awesome, though.

[gothicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by KissMeDeadly

Captain America is basically pure propaganda. Like, literally. In the actual comic book Marvel cannon after the war ended he pretty much became the new Uncle Sam. He's meant to be the physical embodiment of the "American Dream"

Completely over-the-top 1950's cigar smokin' hippy bashin' red blooded American.

As for the actor issue, I still firmly believe that Nathan Fillion would be the best choice. Nobody else could pull of such a ridiculous character. Hugo's gonna be awesome, though.

That's completely absurd and hasn't been even an understandable misconception for about fifty years. I don't mean to sound like an asshole who condescends to people who don't spend their valuable time reading fucking comic books, but you should know about something before you presume to speak with authority on it.
Captain America's persona shifts with the times-- yes, he was conceived essentially as a tool of propaganda during World War II, but Batman, TeH MoST DArKnESST CooLEsT SUPaRHerO, also straddled tanks as they rolled into Berlin. After Watergate, Captain America actually renounced his title in disillusionment and for a time became 'Nomad'. Presently, he's a character who stands for the abstract 'principles' popularly understood to be cornerstones of American society, the sort of things to which no one actually objects, like "freedom" and "liberty". Here, for instance:



He could just as easily be talking about the Iraq War resolution as the Healthcare bill, and that's the whole point.
To describe him as 'hippie-bashing' is ridiculous, and I don't think he's ever smoked.

[Ben Lahnger]

Hugo Weaving Confirmed as the Red Skull in CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER

http://cosmicbooknews.com/news/hweaving_redskull/

[Mr E Nigma]

Well, I've got no qualms with Chris Evans as Cap. Watch "Sunshine." His acting has improved over time. He also has stated on many occasions he understands and realizes what a huge undertaking this is and how important it is, it was a tough decision for him to make, whether to play Captain America or not.

Also, the president of Marvel had a meeting with him in which he later interviewed stating, "As soon as I stepped into that room and sat down next to Chris, I wasn't sitting down next to Chris. I felt like I was sitting down next to Steve Rogers. Chris Evans was the only choice. It just couldn't be anyone else after having finally got to meet with the guy"

They didn't even make him audition they were so sure. So I'm gonna hope the marvel guys know what they're doing. Marvel studios hasn't fucked up so far. So I'm actually staying somewhat positive. Hell, the Thor movie is probably at the most risk.

EDIT: Hugo Weaving will make a bad ass Red Skull

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Mr E Nigma

Marvel studios hasn't fucked up so far.

Come again? Blade Trinity, Ang Lee's Hulk?

[Malice In Wonderland]

Originally Posted by Saya

Come again? Blade Trinity, Ang Lee's Hulk?

Not Marvel Studios as far as I know...

[Saya]

Maybe wiki isn't the greatest source in the world but they were co productions. Marvel producing all by themselves have only put out a few movies, so I'm still not holding my breath.

I'm taking the cautious optimism route

[Ben Lahnger]

No, there's a good point being made here. While the company Marvel Studios has existed for a while as a motion picture partner, when Marvel started their own movie studio and stopped relying on other entities to make their comics into films, the quality went up markedly.

Starting with Iron Man, Marvel has enjoyed full autonomy over their film adaptations, a level of creative control and financial reward they have never had in their prior movie deals with 20th Century Fox, Sony Pictures, Universal Pictures, or Lionsgate. What's certain is that Paramount Pictures, which has a distribution deal with Marvel for a set number of films, will still release Iron Man 2, The Avengers, Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man 3 over the next few years as planned.

From The Disney/Marvel Deal: What It Means for Movies

But a wait-and-see attitude regarding this property is appropriate.

[KissMeDeadly]

Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

That's completely absurd and hasn't been even an understandable misconception for about fifty years. I don't mean to sound like an asshole who condescends to people who don't spend their valuable time reading fucking comic books, but you should know about something before you presume to speak with authority on it.
Captain America's persona shifts with the times-- yes, he was conceived essentially as a tool of propaganda during World War II, but Batman, TeH MoST DArKnESST CooLEsT SUPaRHerO, also straddled tanks as they rolled into Berlin. After Watergate, Captain America actually renounced his title in disillusionment and for a time became 'Nomad'. Presently, he's a character who stands for the abstract 'principles' popularly understood to be cornerstones of American society, the sort of things to which no one actually objects, like "freedom" and "liberty". Here, for instance:

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He could just as easily be talking about the Iraq War resolution as the Healthcare bill, and that's the whole point.
To describe him as 'hippie-bashing' is ridiculous, and I don't think he's ever smoked.

First of all, I think you should see my comic book collection before you say that. I assure you, it's quite magnificent

And when I say 'he's pure propaganda', I don't mean the comic book creators wanted him to get kids to join the war effort (even though they did originally) I mean the Cap's superiors (before the Marvel Cival War at least) had made him to be a propaganda machine.

And so, to be perfectly clear, the character's in comic story is that he, the character, was made by the other characters, to be a symbol of America. That's why they gave him such a ridiculous costume, and the shield, and that's why he's always going on TV and smiling and shaking hands with the president, and saluting the Boy Scouts.

C'mon, man.

EDIT: The 'hippie bashin' cigar smokin'' thing was really more of a joke/a way for me to describe his personality. He never actually beat up hippies or smoked cigars.

[Beneath the Shadows]

Originally Posted by Saya

Come again? Blade Trinity, Ang Lee's Hulk?

New Line and Universal, respectively.

[Heretic]

Costume concept photos, anyone? I'm still on the fence with this movie, but maybe, just maybe, it won't suck.


- Heretic

[Despanan]

[Despanan]

Originally Posted by KissMeDeadly

And when I say 'he's pure propaganda', I don't mean the comic book creators wanted him to get kids to join the war effort (even though they did originally) I mean the Cap's superiors (before the Marvel Cival War at least) had made him to be a propaganda machine.

And so, to be perfectly clear, the character's in comic story is that he, the character, was made by the other characters, to be a symbol of America. That's why they gave him such a ridiculous costume, and the shield, and that's why he's always going on TV and smiling and shaking hands with the president, and saluting the Boy Scouts.

Yeah, and that's why he rebelled against the United States government during the Civil War story arc isn't it?

[KissMeDeadly]

Originally Posted by Despanan

Yeah, and that's why he rebelled against the United States government during the Civil War story arc isn't it?

I like how you chose to ignore the "(up until the Marvel Civil War anyway)" part. Good job, bro.