What Did You Do When You Were a Naive Goth? - Page 2

insertwittyname · 11-25-2006, 07:36 PM

I thought ****** came from a old time Victorian style...hang on, let me find the link that told me that.

Pyre · 11-25-2006, 07:36 PM

I understand. I know of some websites which have gotten in trouble because some members decided to post child pornographic content, but that is not my thing at all. In fact, I came across this material multiple times on this website, and it never fails to disgust me. Don't worry, I prefer matters to be legal

insertwittyname · 11-25-2006, 07:39 PM

http://www.morbidoutlook.com/fashion...hic******.html

I forgot what truly showed me the style of it, but once I saw the style I went straight to research because I like to know the origions of what I'm wearing.

note: I don't have any ****** stuffs. *tear*

Pyre · 11-25-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cradle

My life as a Spookeykid.
4: liked vampirefreaks.

Actually, there is nothing wrong with VF. VF is intended to be gothic, and it is run by actual goths. The problem being the gothic members are lacking, because VF became mainstream a couple of years back and has been overrun by scene kids to hell. Jet, the webpage owner, is trying to bring back the gothic sense to VF again by posting members of the day and featured bands who fit the gothic lifestyle, but it still has such bad rep for all the crappy members flooding it daily.

insertwittyname · 11-25-2006, 07:41 PM

http://www.morbidoutlook.com/fashion...hic******.html

the * part is gothicl0lita, replace the 0 with an o

DarkHeartedDemoness · 11-25-2006, 07:41 PM

Well, and its crappy members keep killing people... I guess I'd personally stay away from it until it gets rid of its "bad rap".

Pyre · 11-25-2006, 07:44 PM

:P I have been a member for almost three years, and before I became an official member I was a lurker on the site for probably a year prior. I was around before the wave of suckage hit, so I stayed. Some of the people there redeem it a bit, but it's difficult to find them.

DarkHeartedDemoness · 11-25-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by insertwittyname

http://www.morbidoutlook.com/fashion...hic******.html

the * part is gothicl0lita, replace the 0 with an o

"The Gothic ****** look is an amazing contrast of innocence and sexuality."

Doesn't that sound like the book?

DarkHeartedDemoness · 11-25-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyre

:P I have been a member for almost three years, and before I became an official member I was a lurker on the site for probably a year prior. I was around before the wave of suckage hit, so I stayed. Some of the people there redeem it a bit, but it's difficult to find them.

I understand loyalty. That's definitely one thing I can relate to. I won't begrudge you your loyalty. I won't be joining there myself, though, until the members of that board (albeit the crappy ones) stop putting that place in the news for killing their classmates/parents/complete strangers in Montreal. I don't mind being called "goth". I do mind being called "murderer".

insertwittyname · 11-25-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkHeartedDemoness

"The Gothic ****** look is an amazing contrast of innocence and sexuality."

Doesn't that sound like the book?

Yes but I believed that you would take it in the Visual Kei/Victorian sorta manner. >.< And on we go, sorry for disturbing you.

Pyre · 11-25-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkHeartedDemoness

I understand loyalty. That's definitely one thing I can relate to. I won't begrudge you your loyalty. I won't be joining there myself, though, until the members of that board (albeit the crappy ones) stop putting that place in the news for killing their classmates/parents/complete strangers in Montreal. I don't mind being called "goth". I do mind being called "murderer".

Ah, yes. It's ironic that goth kids aren't even responsible for these instances, as it's always been Mansonites instead. But, of course, A) ignorant people don't realize the difference, B) it still has nothing to do with what this kid wears and/or listens to, and C) it's the individual who chooses to do what he or she does, not outside influence.

DarkHeartedDemoness · 11-25-2006, 07:59 PM

I'm not disturbed... I'm just surprised that many of the people who wear ****** clothing don't know where the name for the style comes from.

I'm not saying it's wrong. It's a cute style, and I loved the article. You just should understand where the style came from. It's a culmination of visual kei, victorian goth, and that book.

insertwittyname · 11-25-2006, 08:04 PM

I didn't know the book. T.T Now I feel stupid. But now that I read that summary of it, I feel like this man should have a more painful afterlife then many other people. -.- And that site has hundreds more good articles. And a couple good photo galleries.

insertwittyname · 11-25-2006, 08:05 PM

http://www.morbidoutlook.com/art/com...02_04_wns.html
This comic from that site is so true. I love my kitty but at some points I can respect his personal space and let him be looking adorable on the couch.

Pyre · 11-25-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by insertwittyname

http://www.morbidoutlook.com/art/com...02_04_wns.html
This comic from that site is so true. I love my kitty but at some points I can respect his personal space and let him be looking adorable on the couch.

Mhmm. I have a black kitty and an orange kitty. The black one is A) black and B) hardly sheds anyway, but my orange kitty sheds like a mo' fo' -.- And I love him too much to not cuddle up on him whenever I get the chance.

Godslayer Jillian · 11-25-2006, 11:18 PM

Heh, going back on the subject.
Let's see...
I never considered Marilyn Manson goth; only his looks. But I still argue that his look is mainly gothic, with all the cool suits, and somtimes leather. Anyone who says it isn't just wants to pretend Marilyn Manson cannot hit one on real gothiness anywhere.
Anyways...
When I was naive about Goth, it was not because I was trying to be one and I did it wrong. I was naive in that I hated the self-procclaimed goths as nothing but worshippers of Manson and Hot Topic. So basically, I was one of those that didn't want to be called goth, actually loathing the term because of the stereotypes I accepted as right of goths.
All the "goths" I saw around El Paso wore baggy pants, dropped out of school, and talked to stranger that if "this scares you?"
I basically thought goths were jerks and idiots. Oh the irony.

Cicero · 11-26-2006, 12:11 AM

I thought of it in somewhat the same way, but more in the sense that the term had lost its old meaning and now only described the sorts of people you mentioned above.

For many years I took the Andrew Eldritch route and chose to deny any gothiness just because I didn't want to associate myself with Slipknot-obsessed mallgoths.

It wasn't until I found this site, actually, that I realised that the meaning wasn't lost, and I was finally able to say "Yes, I'm a goth, and that's a good thing".

Nocturalis · 11-26-2006, 02:56 AM

Well...

I though Marilyn Manson was goth as fuck (even read his biography), and further only listened to cradle of filth, and some coal chamber.

I believed goths were the very best people in the world (though I didnt know any except on the internet)

I wore my trenchcoat every day when i get one.

I liked to scare people, especcially with my metal claw.

And yes, self-mutilation (but that was not solely for attention) which helped me relate to one hell of alot of people, in retrospect in a very bad way.

Luckily I read all of Poe before Rice, and allready had a pretty big vocabulary, and knew what every word meant, before using the huge-big-obscure words and not knowing what they even meant. I read books with a dictionary.

And yea, VF has drifted a long way from its main intention, and gothic/industrial people are almost in minority. They are so many scene kids there... its true. I dont hang out there all that often anymore. Left after I had nothing to say anymore on the philosophy forum, but I still have a profile.

Delicate_Torture · 11-26-2006, 05:09 AM

About the 'newly gothed' part of the thread...

I spent years and years dressing like I do, swearing and ranting at anyone who called me a goth because I clearly wasn't, I just wore what I wanted to wear.. and then I realised that actually, I was a goth. So, I was the other way around with it all.

About the L0lita part of the thread...

If you read the book you will actually find that it isn't about what you think it is about. The book talks about the subtle manipulation of power. The adult is meant to be in control of the relationship and seen as the abuser, but as the book goes on you discover that the girl is actually the one controlling the relationship and isn't such a victim after all. How she became that way is the debate. Is it because she was pulled into this relationship, or was she drawn to this relationship because of the sort of person that she is? "Missed Me" by the Dresden Dolls picks up similar themes. The girl singing the song is using the position that the intended audience finds himself in (by succumbing to his lusts) to taunt and manipulate him into telling her she is loved and missed.. the the extent that she has him imprisoned both physically and metaphorically. Power is an interesting thing.

Quote:

Missed Me
The Dresden Dolls

Missed me, missed me, now you've got to kiss me.
If you kiss me, mister, I might tell my sister.
If I tell her, mister, she might tell my mother and my
mother, mister, she might tell my father and my father,
mister, he won't be too happy and he'll have his lawyer
come up from the city and arrest you, mister,
so I wouldnt miss me if you get me, mister, see?

Missed me, missed, me now you've got to kiss me.
If you kiss me, mister, you must think im pretty.
If you think so, mister, you must want to fuck me.
If you fuck me, mister, it must mean you love me.
If you love me, mister, you would never leave me
it's as simple as can be!

Missed me, missed me, now you've got to kiss me.
If you miss me, mister, why do you keep leaving
if you trick me, mister, I will make you suffer
and they'll get you, mister, put you in the slammer and forget
you, mister, then you'll miss me won't you, miss me
won't you miss me?

Missed me, missed me, now you've got to kiss me.
if you kiss me, mister, take responsibility.
I'm fragile, mister, just like any girl would be
and so misunderstood so treat me delicately.

Missed me, missed me, now you've gone and done it,
hope you're happy in the county penitentiary
it serves you right for kissing little girls, but I will visit, if you miss me.
Say you miss me!
How's the food they feed you?
Do you miss me?
Will you kiss me through the window?
Do you miss me, miss me?
Will they ever let you go?
I miss my mister so.

Draconysius · 11-26-2006, 06:37 AM

There was a time, you know, when I hated Hot Topic just because it was a baby bats' haven. Now, though, I actually like the place again, but for different reasons. Sure, they have a lot of overpriced, cheap merchandise, but where else could I find a pair of zebra-pattern wrist warmers for a glam look? ^.^ I've also bought a Bauhaus and Siouxsie shirt from there before, so at least they're not an ENTIRELY wannabe Goth hub.

Delicate_Torture · 11-26-2006, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Draconysius

There was a time, you know, when I hated Hot Topic just because it was a baby bats' haven. Now, though, I actually like the place again, but for different reasons. Sure, they have a lot of overpriced, cheap merchandise, but where else could I find a pair of zebra-pattern wrist warmers for a glam look? ^.^ I've also bought a Bauhaus and Siouxsie shirt from there before, so at least they're not an ENTIRELY wannabe Goth hub.

I think that HT is like anything else.. if you deck yourself out in the latest HT wear and nothing other than that, then you will look like a newB (or a store mannaquin.) If you take an item that you bought there and mix it with other items for an individual look that suits you then their clothes can be quite nice.

Personally, I like a lot of HT's clothes when I mix them with other items that I wear. Then again, they are one of the few clothing places that cater to a plus sized goth and I am not a size 6.

Neurosis · 11-26-2006, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Draconysius

I've also bought a Bauhaus and Siouxsie shirt from there before, so at least they're not an ENTIRELY wannabe Goth hub.

(New York has almost zero malls) When I do drive up to the Upstate (different from the city) area of New York, I go into the malls they have. One time, I went inside the Hot Topic they had, and out of the midst of all that is "wannabe" I found a Siouxsie sticker. Overpriced, as always, but glad to know that not everything stocked is for babybats only.

Check out their website. They also sell Depeche Mode, Bauhuas, KMFDM, and Alien Sex Fiend clothing.

--Neurosis

DarkHeartedDemoness · 11-26-2006, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Delicate_Torture

About the L0lita part of the thread...

If you read the book you will actually find that it isn't about what you think it is about. The book talks about the subtle manipulation of power. The adult is meant to be in control of the relationship and seen as the abuser, but as the book goes on you discover that the girl is actually the one controlling the relationship and isn't such a victim after all. How she became that way is the debate. Is it because she was pulled into this relationship, or was she drawn to this relationship because of the sort of person that she is? "Missed Me" by the Dresden Dolls picks up similar themes. The girl singing the song is using the position that the intended audience finds himself in (by succumbing to his lusts) to taunt and manipulate him into telling her she is loved and missed.. the the extent that she has him imprisoned both physically and metaphorically. Power is an interesting thing.

That's, I think, why the style was named ******. It's not a style for little girls to be preyed upon. It's a style for innocent-looking adult women who know they're sexy, who know what the looks they're getting mean, and who know how to twist that into power. That's why I liked the quote from the article, "The Gothic ****** look is an amazing contrast of innocence and sexuality."

Pyre · 11-26-2006, 08:55 AM

You know, as a naive babybat I never did think Manson as being gothic, I never felt as if I should read into all the vampyre literature out there (I have only read half of an Anne Rice book, and that was to see what the fuss was about), and I never thought of self-mutilation as being part of the culture. I was able to recognize stereotypes from truth, but then again, I did run searches of the gothic culture online to educate myself on what it truly is. I wasn't very gothic at the time, but I was knowlegable on what it meant to be gothic.

Delicate_Torture · 11-26-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkHeartedDemoness

That's, I think, why the style was named ******. It's not a style for little girls to be preyed upon. It's a style for innocent-looking adult women who know they're sexy, who know what the looks they're getting mean, and who know how to twist that into power. That's why I liked the quote from the article, "The Gothic ****** look is an amazing contrast of innocence and sexuality."

Oh, I know.. and I wasn't criticising your posts. I was referring to insertwittyname's posts that were so scathing of the author and yet they admit that they have never bothered reading the book.