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02-22-2009, 03:54 PM
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I could understand it if the girl had taken such pictures of other children, but this is fucking taking the law too far. Seriously. If she wants to take pics of herself and slap them all over the net, then the worst happens and shes attacked. It's her own fucking fault. I have no sympathy. To charge her with 'child pornography' though is ridiculous.
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02-22-2009, 03:58 PM
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Si, Alarica. If stupidly jumping off a high building only had a 50% death rate, and when they survived you killed them for doing it, it still wouldn't be as idiotic an affair as this.
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02-22-2009, 04:13 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua
I don't see why she shouldn't receive punishment. She sent pics of a naked minor to an older man. Even if it's of herself, it's still dangerous, stupid, and illegal.
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You know what's even more stupid?
Damaging her for life because she could have been hurt.
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02-22-2009, 04:19 PM
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Location: Namibia
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At the very most, she should be confined to a cell in a detention center for an hour or two to think about what she did.
Charging her as a pedophile and a sex offender is criminal.
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02-22-2009, 05:14 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: In front of a computer screen.
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I know a girl who took pornographic photos of herself when she was fourteen and sent them to people.
Nothing happened.
Just goes to show how much of a shithole this place is in regards to that kinda stuff.
Anyway, yeah, I concur that she shouldn't have been punished to such an extent.
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02-22-2009, 06:02 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: North Cackalacky
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Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua
To clarify, I believe that the point of holding the teen responsible isn't simply that she was being sexual, but rather that she was, in a sense, being sexual with an older man. I watched the vid, and it seems that the local government there are greatly concerned for the sake of their children's safety, which they well should be.
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Ah, yes. "Because we are concerned about this girl's safety, we are going to not only embarrass her further, but make her name known by considering her a sex offender and having her announce it to all of her neighbors. Again, we are doing this for her safety."
Fuck that.
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02-22-2009, 06:58 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Heaven and Earth
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But would she have actually been brought up on charges if these pics weren't sent to an over-aged man?
As far as the good Capt. is concerned, it seems like the kind of thing he -should- be familiar with, if he both has a friend in an American prison -and- has his hand on the pulse of all America's comings and goings as he seems to.
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02-22-2009, 07:01 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Sorry; the chick did something very wrong. If her life is "ruined" [which I seriously doubt it is], then it's her own fault.
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02-22-2009, 07:07 PM
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Location: Namibia
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Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua
But would she have actually been brought up on charges if these pics weren't sent to an over-aged man?
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YES. The charges are for Child Pornography. If they're trying to charge her specifically because she sent pictures to an older man, then they're using the wrong fucking charges. Again, if you're going to charge her for creation and ownership of it, then she could have been a criminal before she so much as heard of the guy. The only defining factor here is that she got caught with provocative pictures of herself. She also sent them to someone, but the charge for 'Distributing Child Pornography' has nothing to do with the recipient's age. Your shit-brained idea implies that if a child faps off to a child getting fucked in the ass by a fifty year old man (a more obvious and proper example of child porn, and abuse), then it's somehow legal.
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As far as the good Capt. is concerned, it seems like the kind of thing he -should- be familiar with, if he both has a friend in an American prison -and- has his hand on the pulse of all America's comings and goings as he seems to.
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You're fucking stupid. Look, we don't know WHAT Sternn was thinking, whether he was, at the time, so aware of America's problems, or whether he even was notified of the rules beforehand. And, plus, let's be honest. As much as Sternn complains about America, he's still no absolute expert on its problems.
Admit it. You're making shit up.
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02-22-2009, 07:08 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
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Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua
Sorry; the chick did something very wrong. If her life is "ruined" [which I seriously doubt it is], then it's her own fault.
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No it's not. She's being charged with something that she shouldn't be charged with. It's like using a flamethrower to give someone a slap on the wrist. I hope you never have to serve twenty years in jail for stealing a candy bar.
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02-22-2009, 07:09 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Auckland
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Tam Li Hua isn't even in the shed as far as tools are concerned.
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02-22-2009, 07:10 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: North Cackalacky
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No, of course her life wouldn't be ruined. Why would anybody's life be ruined if she was a registered sex offender, having to notify the entire neighborhood after every time she moved, being embarrassed, likely harassed, and ashamed for the rest of her life? Life would be great!
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02-22-2009, 07:14 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Tam thinks it's justified to have a fifteen year old girl being branded as a child porn distributor for taking a picture of herself naked.
Isn't it about time we send her a collective fuck you?
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02-22-2009, 07:15 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: North Cackalacky
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I'm in.
Tam, FUCK YOU.
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02-22-2009, 07:44 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: London, UK
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A firm talking-to and perhaps a grounding are in order. Criminal charges? The law is fucked.
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02-22-2009, 08:19 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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I'll consider your arguments, discuss it with some other folks IRL, and get back to you folks tomorrow.
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02-22-2009, 08:33 PM
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You know what, fuck this all. You should never be charged with a crime when it is your own body. Fuck that. Should they have given her some sort of penalty for being a dipshit and sending pictures to the older guy? Maybe. The police shouldn't be involved. If her parents grounded her until she was 18, I wouldn't bat an eyelash, but do they not know how fucked she is if she's convicted? She will have trouble finding a job, ever. She'll have trouble moving anywhere, and basically have a huge black spot on her record the rest of her life. Fuck that.
And another thing, I don't believe the police need to protect people from themselves. If you fuck up, you need to own up to your mistakes and take what LIFE throws at you. If that means a creepy stalker, then it's your god damn fault. IF you play with fire and burn yourself you deserved the burn. That doesn't mean you should have some random people set you on fire to teach you a lesson. 15 is damn well old enough to know this is stupid. If they don't, then either there's a serious education failure, or she's a complete dipshit.
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02-22-2009, 09:15 PM
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Perhaps the child pr0n charge is a bit much, after all, but I still think that there should be -some- kind of legal repercussions for the girl. Maybe one night in jail or something. I dunno.
It's kind of a weird case, so it's hard for me to really make a decision about it one way or the other. For instance, if the girl sent the pics and the guy didn't ask for them, then I think that should be handled differently than if he asked for them.
Where is this girl's parents/guardians in all this anyways? What do -they- think about all this?
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02-22-2009, 09:21 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
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Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua
Perhaps the child pr0n charge is a bit much, after all, but I still think that there should be -some- kind of legal repercussions for the girl. Maybe one night in jail or something. I dunno.
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We never said there shouldn't be a penalty.
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02-22-2009, 09:40 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua
Perhaps the child pr0n charge is a bit much, after all, but I still think that there should be -some- kind of legal repercussions for the girl. Maybe one night in jail or something. I dunno.
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Cut her hand, jail her for life, or take away her cellphone.
I dunno but do something and they all look the same to me lol
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I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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02-22-2009, 09:43 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian
Cut her hand, jail her for life, or take away her cellphone.
I dunno but do something and they all look the same to me lol
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Haha. OMG, me too. I say we kill the skank! It was her responsibility not to photograph herself and... wait. No. We should congratulate her on helping us catch a... wait. We should use her body as fuel... wait...
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02-23-2009, 01:20 AM
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Join Date: May 2008
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I'm in.
Tam, FUCK YOU.
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No, fuck you.
Anyways, I think her punishment should be this:
No computer for 2 months.
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02-23-2009, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by badteccy
No, not really. If you are under the age of 18 you DO not have many rights, you ARE still a child....and it is NOT appropriate (especially at that age) to be taking pictures like that and sending it to people. It is so incredibly dangerous, and these kids DO need to be held accountable.
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So charging a child as an adult and bring them up on three counts of distributing child pornography is what you consider 'appropriate'?
If they are 'a child' as you say, how is charging them as 'an adult' appropriate?
On one hand you argue they are children and need discipline, on the other hand you think charging them as an adult because they should be punished is ok.
If they are adult enough to go to prison I would say they are adult enough to show off their tits on their webpage.
You can't have it both ways. Either they are a child or an adult. You can't punish a child as an adult for doing something its illegal for a child to do and then expect an adult punishment to stick.
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02-23-2009, 01:29 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua
As far as the good Capt. is concerned, it seems like the kind of thing he -should- be familiar with, if he both has a friend in an American prison -and- has his hand on the pulse of all America's comings and goings as he seems to.
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I should know that this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cptster...7606580030779/
Is considered child pr0n in America?
What do you think?
I mean seriously, according to the US Dept. Of Corrections, I just posted child pr0n on the internet (actually those have been up for months on my Flickr page, guess that makes me a big child pr0n distributor now).
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02-23-2009, 01:40 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Louisiana
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Sternn, looks like your kid's not too thrilled about having his picture taken. Maybe he's thinking "I wasn't ready! Look at all this food on me!".
Could it be an isolated incident at your uncle's prison rather than the entire Department of Corrections? Maybe an asshole in charge there?
i've had and currently have several relatives including my little brother in prisons and we've always been able to send pictures of babies very similar to the one you showed us.
Unless they've implemented new policies in the last six months.
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