Pro-Gun Anti-Gun. - Page 38

ape descendant · 05-13-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ART

Actually pointing a gun without live ammo in it at a random intruder is not the best of ideas.

Admittedly, one of the possible reactions is them raising their hands and surrendering.
Another is them running away.

Then there are a whole set of other possible reactions, including the intruder producing a weapon of their own -- be it a gun, a blade, or just something to bludgeon with -- and attacking. As said intruder will in this case literally be fighting for his or her life, expect no mercy, no quarter and no surrender.

And there you will be. With a fairly small lump of useless metal, fending of the attack.

Art: He is in your threads. - Thinking things through.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 05-15-2010, 05:25 AM

It was unloaded for photographic reasons.

no one was holding the camera either.

ART · 05-15-2010, 05:31 AM

Oh, I am quite sure you know better Deadman, but there were others talking about "home defense" by means of empty gun and glorious acting.

In my book a very dangerous game, even hiding beneath the bed seems a better choice.

I have given the subject some thought since I have a number of rather scary looking (and very much not loaded) guns adorning my walls.
But, I'll stick with the axe. Its scary enough, and real enough.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 05-15-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ART

Oh, I am quite sure you know better Deadman, but there were others talking about "home defense" by means of empty gun and glorious acting.

In my book a very dangerous game, even hiding beneath the bed seems a better choice.

I have given the subject some thought since I have a number of rather scary looking (and very much not loaded) guns adorning my walls.
But, I'll stick with the axe. Its scary enough, and real enough.

Your axe still doesn't have the reach of a .38 Special (Known in other parts of the world as 9X29mmR) screaming out of a 4 inch tube.

Could you stop an attacker outside of your weapons strike range (without throwing it)?

Despanan · 05-15-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

Your axe still doesn't have the reach of a .38 Special (Known in other parts of the world as 9X29mmR) screaming out of a 4 inch tube.

Could you stop an attacker outside of your weapons strike range (without throwing it)?

It's pretty unlikely in a home defense situation that an invader will be out of melee "strike range" (unless you're living in a friggin' mansion).

Raptor · 05-15-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ART

I'll stick with the axe.

Go for the chair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9VWu...layer_embedded

ART · 05-15-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05

Your axe still doesn't have the reach of a .38 Special (Known in other parts of the world as 9X29mmR) screaming out of a 4 inch tube.

Could you stop an attacker outside of your weapons strike range (without throwing it)?

Alright, let me elaborate a little. I do love these home defense scenarios.

First, that depends on the attacker. If we have someone reasonably professional intent on killing me in my sleep ... I'm dead.

Thats the unlikely intruder, though. The likely one being Mr Dopehead burglar. Mr Dopehead isn't likely to be armed with a firearm -- this is Sweden, and while firearms are frequent on the black market, burglars usually do not have them.

So. Can I stop him outside my strike range? Yes.

What he will be faced with is a most likely naked, quite large man with a wild mane of hair and a beard. Wild eyed, screaming bloody murder and armed with an axe.

Approaching him. Fast.

Will Mr Dopehead stop? My guess is he will either run, or die.

Now, if I had a way of knowing Mr Dopehead would visit, the shotgun would be loaded and ready beside the bed (as the Winchester Safari in .458 WinMag has WAY to much wall penetrating power -- a trait it shares with most loads for .38 special) and indeed be my first choice. But normally, as here be children at times, the modern guns stay in the gun locker.

Joker_in_the_Pack · 05-15-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ART

What he will be faced with is a most likely naked, quite large man with a wild mane of hair and a beard. Wild eyed, screaming bloody murder and armed with an axe.

Approaching him. Fast.

Best fucking image ever.

Ben Lahnger · 05-15-2010, 03:37 PM

That is an image I'm having a lot of fun imagining.

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Originally Posted by ART

Now, if I had a way of knowing Mr Dopehead would visit, the shotgun would be loaded and ready beside the bed (as the Winchester Safari in .458 WinMag has WAY to much wall penetrating power -- a trait it shares with most loads for .38 special) and indeed be my first choice. But normally, as here be children at times, the modern guns stay in the gun locker.

A very sensible, reasoned answer. Of course, you're presenting it to an unreasonable man.

KontanKarite · 05-15-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor

go for the chair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9vwu...layer_embedded

motherfucker lol!

d0p3y · 05-20-2010, 12:59 AM

when the world achives perfection there will be no need for guns.

but till that day comes...

HellSide_Oso · 06-01-2010, 12:19 PM

As I'm a pro-constitutionalist & Libertarian...yes I support the second amendment. It's not about Hunting or just personal defense but having the ability to over throw a tyrranical government be it left or right wing.

I'd love to go to a shorting range. I'd also love to own a Lugar 9mm pistol from WW2 , a mauser semi-auto pistol & a classic mauser rifle. That & a AK 47.

Niccolo della Luce · 07-02-2010, 11:39 PM

I am absolutely pro-firearms. Looking back through history, we can see that one of the first things any totalitarian leader does is disarm the public so that it cannot fight back. The Constitution was written specifically to avoid that kind of America.

Well, it works within our borders, but I think we need more firearms available internationally. Maybe we could get the World Police to sit down and shut up.

JCC · 07-03-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Niccolo della Luce

I am absolutely pro-firearms. Looking back through history, we can see that one of the first things any totalitarian leader does is disarm the public so that it cannot fight back.

Five examples.

HumanePain · 07-03-2010, 09:18 PM

I can only find references to four:
1) Nazi Germany
2) Fascist Italy
3) Cambodia
4) Uganda

North Korea would be a 5th, but there isn't any way to confirm this without inside data.

JCC · 07-04-2010, 04:13 AM

Nazi Germany didn't ban guns, the Weimar Republic that preceded Hitler had already enacted gun registration and that was a liberal democratic government. The Nazis actually liberalised the gun laws set in place by the Weimar government, with the exceptions being Jewish firearms owners and other 'non-citizens'. The Nazis actually made it easier for Germans to qualify for gun ownership, lowered the age of firearm ownership from 20 years to 18, made regulation more lax than it had been. They banned Jews from carrying all weapons at one point but that was to emphasise non-citizen status, it was doubtful that this was an attempt to hold back an insurrectionary faction because Jews simply didn't have the influence.

I don't know about Fascist Italy.

Cambodia, there's nothing legit about any gun control laws in Cambodia that I have ever seen, just that really irritating chain email about 'the Soviet Union banned guns and then killed millions of people, Uganda banned guns and then killed millions of people' and so on. However, the dates stated in that email are that gun control legislation was passed in 1956, which was twenty years before Pol Pot's purges and had nothing to do with his dictatorship.

Similarly with Cambodia and Nazi Germany, gun control was already in place when Idi Amin took power in 1971, they had nothing to do with his dictatorship.

So of those four examples, three are not viable and one is only viable because it's a 'maybe'.

Despanan · 07-04-2010, 05:47 AM

But Charelton Heston TOLD me that the first act of any dictator was to ban guns, so it MUST be true!

Saya · 07-04-2010, 03:22 PM

Why, I remember when the gun registry in Canada was introduced, we went along with it. Then the seal clubbings began, and the pups had no way of defending themselves.

Ben Lahnger · 07-05-2010, 10:02 AM

The people who speak out the most adamantly about how they should be allowed to own guns ... well, they all seem a little scary and unbalanced.

KissMeDeadly · 07-05-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger

The people who speak out the most adamantly about how they should be allowed to own guns ... well, they all seem a little scary and unbalanced.

That's what I'm saying. I hate how the loud, batshit insane minority fucks everything over for the rest of us, the silent majority. I would speak out but I honestly don't have much better reasoning for liking guns than "Man, they're really cool" and for the off chance that I might need one.

Actually, you know what? I don't really give a shit either way.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 07-06-2010, 06:01 AM

This is part 1 of 6,feel free to check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vAp-HvE1ws

KontanKarite · 07-06-2010, 09:40 AM

Man, to be honest, I've lived in NYC for almost two months and I've gotta level with you guys; I see no reason to own a gun and well... I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

Joker_in_the_Pack · 07-06-2010, 10:05 AM

I tried researching Fascist Italy's gun laws and only came up with websites hosted by people like Deadmanohmanisheretarded Walking.

Deadmanwalking_05 · 07-06-2010, 05:37 PM

This post is meant for those that continue to say that the Police and the Military are the only people to be trusted with firearms in public...

DeadManWalking_05 presents....

THE ONLY PERSON PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH TO CARRY A GLOCK FORTY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

Ben Lahnger · 07-07-2010, 06:38 AM

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited the White House yesterday. Unfortunately, one of the bags belonging to the Prime Minister's bodyguards did not make the trip from New York to Washington with him, ending up in Los Angeles instead. When American Airlines located the bag, alarmingly it was missing four 9mm Glock handguns it had previously contained.

American Airlines Could Use Some Gun Control

Port Authority police in New York are currently investigating whether the weapons went missing before or after the suitcase was transferred to LAX.

I'm wondering if they were swiped by an airline employee, which should end up being pretty easy to trace, or someone else. Where are those Glocks now, and what kind of damage could they do?

I'd post the statement American Airlines made this morning, but they lost it.