Hot Topic Art Theft.

TheBloodEternity · 10-11-2008, 10:07 PM

http://spacecoyote. deviant art .com/journal/20725936/

....yeah.

Underwater Ophelia · 10-11-2008, 10:14 PM

Wow, that sucks.

It may not have been Hot Topic that did the crime, though, it may have been one of their suppliers.

TheBloodEternity · 10-11-2008, 10:24 PM

I the brand, Ten Thirty One, is Hot Topic's brand (not one that they carry like Tripp, Demonia, Threads, etc), so more than likely it was Hot Topic.
Either way, that's pretty blatant plagiarism. How could you think that you couldn't get caught? Search pirate girl in google images and the original is on the FIRST PAGE.

MegearaErotica · 10-11-2008, 10:24 PM

This kind of crap makes me angry.

Despanan · 10-11-2008, 10:32 PM

This is like that Todd Goldman shit that happened when that douchey hack ripped off the Smorky cartoon over at SA.

(I can't believe that asshole still has a career. Products of David & Goliath tees are almost 100% plagiarized even to this day.)

Anyway, hopefully this is an isolated incident.

Underwater Ophelia · 10-11-2008, 10:46 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

shogem · 10-11-2008, 11:12 PM

That's really sad. I hope she can get some legal help for it; it's clear plagiarism and I'm afraid Hot Topic isn't the type of corporation to really care about an artist simply e-mailing about copyright infringement. Getting a lawyer would help her cause.

Underwater Ophelia · 10-11-2008, 11:16 PM

I'm pretty sure plagiarism refers specifically to written work.

MegearaErotica · 10-11-2008, 11:41 PM

Well, on this site they say the words or ideas, so I don't know if that's plagiarism or not.
http://www.plagiarism .org/learning_center/what_is_plagiarism.html

Jaye Jang · 10-12-2008, 12:04 AM

It would be a 'patent' violation, although a patent violation would work too, or copyright infringement. Anyway, she should still sue.

noveleigh · 10-12-2008, 11:04 AM

Holy shit. This makes you wonder how much else they may have stolen.

sagicapri25 · 10-12-2008, 02:04 PM

She could win some big money from the cheapscapes. Stealing someone's art to make a profit. It gets me boiling. I am a artist who sells, and I would be going after each and every corner of the issue. Those f@#&s would be digging their 5 mil. feet to hell if they messed with my work!

Jonathan · 10-15-2008, 07:16 PM

Nothing was stolen, she still has her art.

I don't steal music. Hot topic doesn't steal art.

It's copyright infringement, if anything. Totally different thing altogether. Intellectual property is a legal construct, a mental fiction.

However, unless hot topic threw a brick through her window and made off with a physical copy of her work in the dark of night, it isn't theft.

Saya · 10-15-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan

Nothing was stolen, she still has her art.

I don't steal music. Hot topic doesn't steal art.

It's copyright infringement, if anything. Totally different thing altogether. Intellectual property is a legal construct, a mental fiction.

However, unless hot topic threw a brick through her window and made off with a physical copy of her work in the dark of night, it isn't theft.

Do you sell the music you pirate and claim it as your own?

Jonathan · 10-15-2008, 07:49 PM

Plagiarism is not theft.

You can't steal ideas, or the representation of an idea. It simply is not possible.

If I right-click and copy that image, and save a copy to my desktop, I didn't steal anything. The artist and hot topic both still have their copies. I am not depriving anyone of the use of the original.

These are not interchangeable terms.

Saya · 10-15-2008, 07:55 PM

Mr. Webster disagrees. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarizing

Pronunciation:
\ˈplā-jə-ˌrīz also -jē-ə-\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
pla·gia·rized; pla·gia·riz·ing
Etymology:
plagiary
Date:
1716

transitive verb : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source intransitive verb : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
— pla·gia·riz·er noun

TheBloodEternity · 10-15-2008, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan

If I right-click and copy that image, and save a copy to my desktop

Well then, you aren't making any money off of that are you?

Jonathan · 10-15-2008, 08:46 PM

Well, he's a contradictory jerk anyway.

I see your 1716 and raise you pre-12th

Main Entry:
theft
Pronunciation:
\ˈtheft\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English thiefthe, from Old English thīefth; akin to Old English thēof thief
Date:
before 12th century

1 a: the act of stealing ; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b: an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property2obsolete : something stolen3: a stolen base in baseball

In any event, we can dick around with semantics all night. Both of these words use each other to define themselves, so we won't get anywhere with the dictionary.

Legally speaking, theft and stealing requires actually physically taking something to deprive the rightful owner of its use.

Jonathan · 10-15-2008, 08:49 PM

Theft, stealing, and plagiarism have nothing to do with whether you are doing it for profit.

Stupid car analogy:

If I take your car and blow it up, I'm just as guilty of theft as if I stripped it for parts and sold it.

If I look at your car, make an exact duplicate of yours and drove away, I didn't deprive you of anything. Even if I do it over and over again and sell it to a bunch of people or just give 'em away like Doctor Tran, I am not impacting your ability to use your property.

Saya · 10-15-2008, 09:08 PM

Well did I make the car? No. Honda may want a word with you however if you copy their designs exactly. Plagiarism is still a form of theft, you are robbing the original artist of due royalties and credit, and do so without any permission.

DisturbedSpartan · 10-15-2008, 09:10 PM

I believe this is truly fucked up. When an artist creates something they take pride in their work and for some big company to just start selling their design as its own and making profit and not giving the artist any credit or anything. The artist would mostly likely feel that their work has become a cheap dime a dozen object. That's lost its original meaning or purpose when it goes out in to the mainstream. Which isn't fair to any artist to have to go through that.

Corpus_Macabre · 10-15-2008, 10:04 PM

Hot Topic have some of the worse clothing. They cater to the tastes of emo, metal-head and kindy-"goth". Whoever was stealing their "art" is a champion.

Whoever buys stuff from that store ought to get creative and stop giving their money to the capitalist pigs your country is famous for...goth should not be objectified to trademarks and labels.

TheBloodEternity · 10-15-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Corpus_Macabre

Hot Topic have some of the worse clothing. They cater to the tastes of emo, metal-head and kindy-"goth". Whoever was stealing their "art" is a champion.

Did you read the journal entry from the link?
Hot Topic stole someone's drawing, not vice-versa.

Corpus_Macabre · 10-15-2008, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBloodEternity

Did you read the journal entry from the link?
Hot Topic stole someone's drawing, not vice-versa.

Not really. I don't like Hot Topic and didn't really care for the thread. But, like I said, if someone stole their stuff...they are my hero.

TheBloodEternity · 10-15-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Corpus_Macabre

Not really. I don't like Hot Topic and didn't really care for the thread. But, like I said, if someone stole their stuff...they are my hero.

Are you saying that whoever stole Hot Topic's "art" is your hero or am I just really fucking confused?