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Old 06-11-2012, 01:58 PM   #26
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Trolling you would lack any sort of satisfaction for me.

Show me some articles about the oppression of gun owners. Bring me some proof. You don't get to just say something and have it be so. Also, make sure that the articles are from a reliable source. I am open minded and would certainly like to see what you're talking about, however, convincing me takes a good amount of persuasion and proof.

I know a fuck-ton of people who are gun owners, and they're just fine. No one's messing with them for owning a gun.

I wouldn't be so persistent if you hadn't thrown it out as such a pervasive problem.
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Okay then I shall continue...


http://www.thisistrue.com/zt.html this link has to do with Zero Tolerance.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/C...ear-Later.html
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:24 PM   #28
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Ok, from what I've read in these articles, this is about Zero Tolerance policies in schools, which go beyond guns to include other weapons and drugs.

I don't see how this shows a prejudice against gun owners for being gun owners. It shows how kids have gotten in trouble for bringing gun shaped toys to school.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:29 PM   #29
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Ok, from what I've read in these articles, this is about Zero Tolerance policies in schools, which go beyond guns to include other weapons and drugs.

I don't see how this shows a prejudice against gun owners for being gun owners. It shows how kids have gotten in trouble for bringing gun shaped toys to school.
Because the ZT policies were started with the gun free zones.

Also here is something from Eric Holder on the whole thing of making Gun ownership a public "no no"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ANRgcvjkk

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Old 06-11-2012, 02:46 PM   #30
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Deadman,

I'm looking for a XDS as a concealed carry. Do you know where the fuck I can find one? It was released in march, but nobody has them in stock here.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:56 PM   #31
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Well, I listened to them both twice to be sure. Here's what I got out of it.

Dude's first priority is discouraging kids from violence and carrying guns.
He also seems to be opposed to people carrying guns in public.
I can see where you might have gotten a vague sense of persecution from his proposal that guns aren't hip or cool.

What I didn't hear was some one trying to demonize gun owners. This is about discouraging violence and the carrying of guns in public, especially by children.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:21 PM   #32
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Well, I listened to them both twice to be sure. Here's what I got out of it.

Dude's first priority is discouraging kids from violence and carrying guns.
He also seems to be opposed to people carrying guns in public.
I can see where you might have gotten a vague sense of persecution from his proposal that guns aren't hip or cool.

What I didn't hear was some one trying to demonize gun owners. This is about discouraging violence and the carrying of guns in public, especially by children.
It's not the anti-violence part I'm talking about,it's the gun part that I have a problem with.

He wasn't just talking about kids carrying guns,he said and I quote...

"What we need to is to change the way PEOPLE think about guns" he then goes on to include "young people" as a seperate group.

He also called for programs to include negative messages about guns ....not Violence or the violent use of weapons but "Guns" as a seperate issue.

So in effect he wanted to attack (and did so I might add) gun ownership.

And then so many years later when the same person was involved with the current administration we had the whole fast&furious inncident,meant to further an anti-gun ownership agenda,by blaming gun owners for crimes that the AFT took part in (they were watching the whole time that cartel members were buying them and walking back across the border with them).

Do you see the prejudice against gunownership yet?
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:23 PM   #33
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Versus....even though your post isn't on topic,you might want to check your PM
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He didn't say shit about gun ownership.

Guns =/= gun owners.

While I do understand that there's a movement for gun control legislation, I don't see how that's about actively persecuting gun owners. You're talking about active prejudice against PEOPLE who own guns.

Guns in and of themselves are deadly weapons, they're not toys, there are places that are inappropriate for them, so of course there are going to be laws about how they're handled and where. If guns weren't made for the express purpose of hurting and killing people it wouldn't be such an issue.

Having the KIDS carry guns in a public school is quite an extreme view, I still don't see how it would ever be even remotely reasonable.
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He didn't say shit about gun ownership.

Guns =/= gun owners.

While I do understand that there's a movement for gun control legislation, I don't see how that's about actively persecuting gun owners. You're talking about active prejudice against PEOPLE who own guns.

Guns in and of themselves are deadly weapons, they're not toys, there are places that are inappropriate for them, so of course there are going to be laws about how they're handled and where. If guns weren't made for the express purpose of hurting and killing people it wouldn't be such an issue.

Having the KIDS carry guns in a public school is quite an extreme view, I still don't see how it would ever be even remotely reasonable.
You don't see institutionalized prejudice very well do you?
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Nope just offer a safer way to enjoy a sport and not have a group demonized for what they enjoy.
Shut the hell up. You're not some bleeding heart about football and baseball. You seriously just want to put guns in children's hands.

If it bothers you that much, fucking write your senator. It'll fly like a lead balloon.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:30 PM   #37
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Shut the hell up. You're not some bleeding heart about football and baseball. You seriously just want to put guns in children's hands.

If it bothers you that much, fucking write your senator. It'll fly like a lead balloon.
A lead ballon can fly (check mythbusters for that one) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGdHRupe7Zc

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On a side note, Deadman gave me a link to a full size 1911. I guess that's his interpretation of small.
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Not like we have to worry about what you're sweating. No one agrees with you wanting to militarize children anyway.
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You don't see institutionalized prejudice very well do you?
ROFLMAO! Ah, we're done here, it seems you've given up on trying to prove your rather indefensible point and have taken to trolling me. Your attempt is adorable.
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I haven't been trolling anyone as of late.
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On a side note, Deadman gave me a link to a full size 1911. I guess that's his interpretation of small.
No I gave you a link so you can find the model you were looking for,if you can't find said model it isn't my problem.
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My bad. I just inferred that because there was one that took the majority of the page with specs and everything. I guess that website has a bad layout, then.
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Not like we have to worry about what you're sweating. No one agrees with you wanting to militarize children anyway.
and I haven't said I wanted to militarize kids,you have brought that up.

I guess it bothers you that I haven't lost my temper through this whole thing.
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No, actually it doesn't. I'm just making fun of you anyway. Keep up the Jedi stuff though. It's a nice fit for you.
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Versus check your PM again.
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No, actually it doesn't. I'm just making fun of you anyway. Keep up the Jedi stuff though. It's a nice fit for you.
Go ahead and make fun of me if that's what you want,it isn't going to change my mind on this subject or who I am.
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In other news, a new law in Indiana allows citizens to shoot police who unlawfully enter their homes.
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In other news, a new law in Indiana allows citizens to shoot police who unlawfully enter their homes.
I thought we could already do that. Huh. That's pretty cool, I guess.

Versus you concealed carry a gun regularly? I thought you were all against that kinda thing?
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I bet you think a lot of things about me.
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