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11-14-2008, 07:36 AM
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Lolz. I just believe that you cannot find your truth when you are following someone elses.
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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11-14-2008, 08:03 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Michigan, U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
Exactly. That is Auriel's problem. She just needs to calm down and read up on legal right's vs. religious acceptance
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No I really don't, I've stated my perspective on that.
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11-14-2008, 08:05 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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I am sorry, but the ultimate truth is something that no religion can give you. The ultimate truth is found in an absence of all opinion, of all bigotry and hate, and it cannot be found when you limit yourself by the teachings of an ancient book of scary stories to explain what the first people did not know. I do not say that I know the ultimate truth but I do know what will prevent you from ever finding it if it is what you are truly searching for.
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Did you ignore the rest of what I said in that post? I don't know why people can't get through their head that my beliefs are largely based on Christianity- but not totally.
Largely- not totally.
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11-14-2008, 08:07 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Michigan, U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
Lolz. I just believe that you cannot find your truth when you are following someone elses.
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What makes you think I haven't found it? Or part of it...it's not as simple as you're implying.
I don't follow someone else's. Again, you are neglecting the other things I said.
If you want to believe something about me that isn't true, go right ahead. But don't twist what I've said to mean something entirely different.
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11-14-2008, 10:19 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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I don't wish to believe something about you that isn't true and those last two posts were not about you at all. It was my opinion on finding my truth. The process is different for each person, but it is my opinion that it requires and absence of religiousness, and you state that you are religious. It does not matter what you believe, because each belief system, no matter how patchworked, has limitations to what it will accept and to what its followers are willing to believe. I am saying that to find "the truth" you must put all those limitations aside and look at yourself as a person, not a disciple (from the latin discipula, discipulae, meaning student or learner) of a set belief system.
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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11-15-2008, 06:37 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
I am sorry, but the ultimate truth is something that no religion can give you. The ultimate truth is found in an absence of all opinion, of all bigotry and hate, and it cannot be found when you limit yourself by the teachings of an ancient book of scary stories to explain what the first people did not know. I do not say that I know the ultimate truth but I do know what will prevent you from ever finding it if it is what you are truly searching for.
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You're really not in a position to be telling anyone what "ultimate truth" is.
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11-15-2008, 10:26 AM
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what I've been attempting to say is that is my OPINION, but people seem to overlook that
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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11-15-2008, 10:53 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
what I've been attempting to say is that is my OPINION, but people seem to overlook that
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Just as... Auriel?
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"No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world.
I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker."
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People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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11-15-2008, 10:35 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Michigan, U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
I don't wish to believe something about you that isn't true and those last two posts were not about you at all. It was my opinion on finding my truth. The process is different for each person, but it is my opinion that it requires and absence of religiousness, and you state that you are religious. It does not matter what you believe, because each belief system, no matter how patchworked, has limitations to what it will accept and to what its followers are willing to believe. I am saying that to find "the truth" you must put all those limitations aside and look at yourself as a person, not a disciple (from the latin discipula, discipulae, meaning student or learner) of a set belief system.
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I understand now. I misunderstood you and thought it was directed at me because you quoted me.
I don't completely disagree with your opinion on it. The first thing you have to do in order to find that Truth is to reject all preconceived notions of what it is and seek it out without those notions. Which I did about 14 years ago. I'm sorry if I miscommunicated but I consider myself more spiritual than religious. Most of what little Truth I have learned, I have learned because of my upbringing and what I have seen in my lifetime. Certain texts have good principles that one should follow to maintain a good life and good relationship with The Creator or God or Allah (whatever you want to call It) and within the community. It's also important to remember a concept that many religions teach- "A wise man knows that he knows nothing." No matter how much we think we know, there is always some more of that Truth to be revealed. Maybe in this lifetime, maybe the next, and maybe we'll never figure it out. It's important to try though, right?
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11-15-2008, 11:14 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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I understand now. I misunderstood you and thought it was directed at me because you quoted me.
I don't completely disagree with your opinion on it. The first thing you have to do in order to find that Truth is to reject all preconceived notions of what it is and seek it out without those notions. Which I did about 14 years ago. I'm sorry if I miscommunicated but I consider myself more spiritual than religious. Most of what little Truth I have learned, I have learned because of my upbringing and what I have seen in my lifetime. Certain texts have good principles that one should follow to maintain a good life and good relationship with The Creator or God or Allah (whatever you want to call It) and within the community. It's also important to remember a concept that many religions teach- "A wise man knows that he knows nothing." No matter how much we think we know, there is always some more of that Truth to be revealed. Maybe in this lifetime, maybe the next, and maybe we'll never figure it out. It's important to try though, right?
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You truly baffle me. Why not practice what you preach? Again, if you threw away all preconceived notions of what it is, how can you say God hates homosexuality? Thats a preconceived notion set forth by The Bible. Why be so clingy to arbitrary beliefs? Why cling to dualistic thinking?
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11-16-2008, 09:47 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Just as... Auriel?
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Wow. You just made me want to turn emo and run my car off a cliff. I think I'll just lurk for a while.
Lolz, thanks for pointing that out.
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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11-17-2008, 12:28 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Michigan, U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
Lolz. I just believe that you cannot find your truth when you are following someone elses.
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Actually this one IS directed at me.
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11-17-2008, 09:45 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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You as a group of people. YOU need to stop expecting people to attack you and viewing everything people post as an attack. We (as in everyone in this thread) are have a discussion. So what we (as in everyone posting on this thread) say is mostly directed at the group as a whole and not at one single person.
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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11-18-2008, 08:41 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Michigan, U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
You as a group of people. YOU need to stop expecting people to attack you and viewing everything people post as an attack. We (as in everyone in this thread) are have a discussion. So what we (as in everyone posting on this thread) say is mostly directed at the group as a whole and not at one single person.
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Have you read through a lot of this thread? Were it not for this forum being rampant with people who get their jollies flaming others-particularly me when it comes to this discussion- I wouldn't have thought that.
I would like to apologize to you. I am sorry that I just assumed that you were doing the same.  No hard feelings I hope.
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