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Old 03-27-2012, 07:58 PM   #26
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:03 PM   #27
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Dude people gave you opinions, stories, and facts about that very small minority but as even a lot of the stuff pertaining to that segment of sex workers was less than pleasant you just refused to accept what was being said.
Got no problem with those people. Read everything that got posted. Nobody gave me anything resembling the answers I was looking for, so I eventually came up with my own.

No I didn't share them with you at any point, for the guys who are going to read that the wrong way.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:15 PM   #28
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We responded to you many times, and even in the bullshit thread you made of escorts, we responded once more, telling you that we have no problems with first world escorts. I even put the link in this thread, so you can't bullshit your way around it.

YOU were the one that didn't respond to any of the part where there is disagreement.

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I made the thread with a specific issue in mind, didn't match the title I gave it.
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I still maintain that your guys "willing prostitution doesn't ever happen" stance
Is your bitching about how we didn't address the 'specific issue in mind'[sic] or is it that we said that 'willing prostitution doesn't ever happen'[sic] in all issues of prostitution?

Which one is it, motherfucker? Can't logically be both.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:16 PM   #29
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If people didn't give you the answers that you were looking for then maybe you need to spend more time on formulating your questions because pretty much all of your posts in that thread were either something along the lines of "that isn't what I was saying/asking" or "yeah but what if (insert extremely specific and also unlikely stipulation) happened?"

I'm not sure if it was just you failing to communicate or what but that whole thread, well both of them actually, just seemed like you had visited a prostitute and you were trying to justify the sex industry so that you didn't feel guilty about it.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:21 PM   #30
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OR, more predictably, every single answer we told him, he would respond with 'that isn't what I'm asking' because he didn't want to 'lose', yet he never deigned us with actually telling us what apparently he's asking for, because he never really thought it through. He just had this wet dream that he could leave us stumped, and got lost in his own train of thought.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:21 PM   #31
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You guys, he was just butthurt that someone was talking about something deeply personal that wasn't about him. No one is allowed to discuss anything to do with prostitution without the thread being about him.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:27 PM   #32
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But it's so hard for me not to respond! So. Many. Logical. Fallacies.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:45 PM   #33
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Sometimes I want to fill my posts with logical fallacies just to see how you respond.
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:14 PM   #34
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Sometimes I want to fill my posts with logical fallacies just to see how you respond.
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:18 PM   #35
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Nice derail Elystan.
Seriously, fuck you for turning an interesting thread into a rehash of your puerile butthurt. This is why we can't have nice things.


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Alan will suffer a Denial Of Service because he doesn't know which one to bitch slap first?
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:43 AM   #36
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We responded to you many times, and even in the bullshit thread you made of escorts, we responded once more, telling you that we have no problems with first world escorts. I even put the link in this thread, so you can't bullshit your way around it.


YOU were the one that didn't respond to any of the part where there is disagreement.

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Is your bitching about how we didn't address the 'specific issue in mind'[sic] or is it that we said that 'willing prostitution doesn't ever happen'[sic] in all issues of prostitution?

Which one is it, motherfucker? Can't logically be both.
You're more than one poster, the list of quotes you gave gave a good example. The whole "they don't matter" thing.
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:57 AM   #37
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Nice derail Elystan.
Seriously, fuck you for turning an interesting thread into a rehash of your puerile butthurt.
How is this interesting? OP is retarded, end of.
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Old 03-28-2012, 04:03 AM   #38
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OR, more predictably, every single answer we told him, he would respond with 'that isn't what I'm asking' because he didn't want to 'lose'
It was more that it wasn't what I was asking, fyi

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yet he never deigned us with actually telling us what apparently he's asking for
Was fully explicit by like my third post in the thread.

And for the record, you did all* look like retards afterward, even if that wasn't my intention.

*couple of exceptions
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:00 AM   #39
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How is this interesting? OP is retarded, end of.
It seems projection is a favourite defense of yours.
And it was at least fresh ground, as opposed to you chasing your tail and demanding to be told what you wanted to hear.

Go back to your bridge.
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:43 AM   #40
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:50 AM   #41
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Now here's a thought:
If br*thels were legalized, the working girls would have a safe environment in which to ply their trade. There would be less violence committed against them and they would be legally protected. No getting beaten on by p1mps for failing to bring in enough money. With a legal submissive readily available, it is POSSIBLE that the rate of r@pe would go down because the abusers would be able to get their power fix in a controlled environment.
Not saying it would completely solve the problem. Some abusers only want unwilling victims, not a woman playing an unwilling victim. But I think that on the whole, it would definitely reduce the rate of such crimes, as well as protecting the women who are working in the industry. And I don't mean the kind of women who are getting paid thousands per night. I'm talking about your "average" women who is simply trying to make a living. It would also reduce the rate of associated crimes such as robberies, assaults, and women being doped by their p1mps or having to do drugs just to get through another dreadful night of walking the freezing streets and running from the vice squad. And by giving them a safe environment to work, it would reduce the number of them found dead....or simply never found at all...by making it so that they are no longer easy targets. By giving them the control, you are taking it away from the people that are abusing the control.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:34 AM   #42
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Interesting you should say that.... Very recently a court decision was made that meant brothels were no longer criminal in Canada.

(Can't find the article, it was in the suggestions at the side of the previously linked article and they've refreshed now.)

One would think that brothels would be safer, but someone at the end of the article says that the inability to solicit means the worker in question wouldn't be able to discuss beforehand and reach an agreement on acts before entering the situation.

(I see where she's coming from, though I think there'd be ways around that.)

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Old 03-28-2012, 09:45 AM   #43
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It is good in theory but in places where brothels are legal that has not proven to hold up in the real world. I'm feeling kind of bleh at the moment so I'll elaborate more later (or Saya can do it) if you are interested in discussing it.
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:09 AM   #44
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It is good in theory but in places where brothels are legal that has not proven to hold up in the real world. I'm feeling kind of bleh at the moment so I'll elaborate more later (or Saya can do it) if you are interested in discussing it.
Definitely interested in hearing more at some point.
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:03 PM   #45
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Technically, prostitution is legal in Canada, there is (was) just a lot of stipulations around it, like not being able to live off the profits of prostitution (which also was repealed) and having a "bawdy house" (not necessarily a brothel, but any indoor place intended for sex work, like a sex dungeon perhaps).

The big concern of mine is whether since not living off the funds of prostitution is struck down, I'm hoping they're rewrite the law to be that the profits of prostitution belong exclusively to the prostituted people themselves, and pimping remains illegal. The other huge concern is that in places like Vancouver, the majority of indoor prostituted women are Asian women who were trafficked here. There's a group in Vancouver called Asian Women Coalition Ending Prostitution, and it was them I do believe who analyzed hundreds of advertisements on Craig's List for prostitution. in 60% of ads, Asian women were advertised, and in 75% of those ads, their race and vulnerability were advertised as an asset (with phrases such as "Fresh off the boat" "Doesn't speak English").

It also doesn't eliminate the economic coercion issue. First Nations and Aboriginal women overrepresent street prostitutes, and it isn't because they enjoy it. In places like the Netherlands were brothels are legal, the brothel workers are not wage workers, they have to pay a lot of money to rent a room for the night (like 200 dollars, differs from place to place obviously), and this is where the coercion begins before a john steps through the door. If its a slow night, and you're just getting guys who give you the creeps, but you'll be out a lot of money if you don't start taking customers. I don't think under capitalism and patriarchy that it'll ever be safe to work in a brothel.

There are plans in the works for a brothel run by a collective in Vancouver, I do believe, where they only have to pay a dollar or so a night, and there's a lot of resources there and exit programs. I'm interested to see how that's going to work out, I heard about it last year in an issue of Herizons and then they were still determining the legality of it, I assume with this ruling it gives them a lot more room to do it.
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:14 AM   #46
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Sorry to refresh this thread, I just wanted to let you guys know I've finally had a chance to get back on here and read it.

Great stuff, I really appreciate all your feedback and opinions. Except you Elystan, if you think a thread is so retarded why bother commenting on it? Don't bother answering that, it's subtle advice I'm hoping you'll pick up on rather than a question.

A big thanks again guys. This has given me good material to nudge my boyfriend in to thinking a bit more about what he is saying before voicing opinions like that.

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Except you Elystan, if you think a thread is so retarded why bother commenting on it?
Somebody mentioned my name so I put them to rights. Like what I'm doing now.

Subtle advice I'm hoping you'll pick up on.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:13 PM   #48
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You didn't put anyone 'to rights'. You just showed more people how big of a dipshit you are.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:34 AM   #49
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You didn't put anyone 'to rights'. You just showed more people how big of a dipshit you are.
Fine, fine, I demonstrated your puffed up ignorance to a hypothetical intelligent observer
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:16 AM   #50
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How convenient that such a hypothetical observer would only be intelligent because he happens to not disagree with you.
And how interesting that this 'intelligent observer' can only be hypothetical as everyone who actually engages with you ends up thinking you're a dipshit as well.

No, Elystan, you stay in the fetal position, child. You're right. It's not you who is wrong; it's the rest of the world, you don't have to think things through, your tactic of throwing a temper tantrum is perfectly valid.
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