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11-26-2008, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JCC
Oh yeah!
Some people say my love cannot be true
Please believe me, my love, and I'll show you
I will give you those things you thought unreal
The sun, the moon, the stars all bear my seal
Oh yeah!
Guess which band that is, Metal Overlord and Guardian.
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N.I.B- Black Sabbath.
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11-26-2008, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Albert Mond
What makes them not metal?
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It's true AC/DC isn't metal, It's hard rock (It's still badass though) And Guns and Risn't hard rock, They're hair metal.
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11-26-2008, 12:23 PM
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So how are those characteristically 'Metal' lyrics?
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11-26-2008, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
Just for the record, the following bands ARE metal:
Iron Maiden (The staple of every Metalheads musical diet.)
Metallica
Megadeth
Slayer (It's also good for harassing hippies)
Black Sabbath
Blue Oyster Cult
Judas Priest
Pantera
The following bands ARE NOT metal:
Korn
Bullet for my Valentine
System of a Down
Limp Bizkit (Sadly I have heard them be refered to as metal before...)
Slipknot
Papa Roach (Sadly them too)
Hatebreed
Linkin Park (and even them...)
Feel free to add to the list as long as you know what you're talking about.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_m...haracteristics
Given that, I'll point out that Slipknot IS Metal, so is System technically. Limp Bizkit is Rap-metal and as such a type of metal. Hatebreed is modern hardcore.
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11-26-2008, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JCC
So how are those characteristically 'Metal' lyrics?
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If you had posted the rest of the lyrics you'd be able to see that it's about Lucifer.
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11-26-2008, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
Thier lyrics? Meaningless.
Thats why they're not metal.
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Oh yes, because slayer singing the same cliche about satan seventy billion times is much more meaningful than coping with mental illness.
Shut up.
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11-26-2008, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
If you had posted the rest of the lyrics you'd be able to see that it's about Lucifer.
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'Killers', my favourite Iron Maiden album, does not contain any mention of Lucifer.
Does this mean it is not a Metal album?
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11-26-2008, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wormboy
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here, let me break it down into an easier way for you to understand.
Slipknot is to Metal, as My Chemical Romance is to Gothic Rock
They're emo, but before that label came out, they were technically gothic rock.
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11-26-2008, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
here, let me break it down into an easier way for you to understand.
Slipknot is to Metal, as My Chemical Romance is to Gothic Rock
They're emo, but before that label came out, they were technically gothic rock.
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That label was around before they even formed.
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11-26-2008, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JCC
'Killers', my favourite Iron Maiden album, does not contain any mention of Lucifer.
Does this mean it is not a Metal album?
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No, Metal doesn't nessecarily have to mention Lucifer,
Hell, The nu Metal Bands sometimes use themes similar to the real metal bands, but they go about it all wrong, Please refer to the lyrics I posted earlier to get an idea of what I'm talking about.
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11-26-2008, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
here, let me break it down into an easier way for you to understand.
Slipknot is to Metal, as My Chemical Romance is to Gothic Rock
They're emo, but before that label came out, they were technically gothic rock.
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My Chemical Romance were never Goth Rock.
Emo is a term from the '80s.
Slipknot are Metal regardless of whether you like it or not. I don't like Bullet For My Valentine or Trivium, but that doesn't mean I can just pretend that they're not Metal, that's something I don't like about Metal, it's incredibly divided and a lot of Metal fans tend to just go "Oh right, I don't like that band, so they're another kind of Metal".
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11-26-2008, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Albert Mond
That label was around before they even formed.
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It was applied to them later in thier career, or so I've heard.
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11-26-2008, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Albert Mond
What makes them (AC/DC & GNR) not metal?
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First of all i think AC/DC themselves once said that they weren't "metal" simply hard rock. And as for GnR...i don't know what to say...if that's "metal" then i'm adding AssJack as a metal band.
Here's a test:
Sepultura - Troops of Doom (1987)
Guns and Roses - Welcome to the Jungle (1987)
AC/DC - Heatseeker (1988)
Metallica - Blackened (1988)
You mean to tell me that those four songs are in the exact same genre? That there is no difference in musical style here?
C'mon.
GNR is not hair metal, they got that stigma because of Axel's hair in Welcome to the Jungle video he was parodying what he saw in the LA hair metal scene.
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11-26-2008, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
No, Metal doesn't nessecarily have to mention Lucifer,
Hell, The nu Metal Bands sometimes use themes similar to the real metal bands, but they go about it all wrong, Please refer to the lyrics I posted earlier to get an idea of what I'm talking about.
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Metal doesn't have set lyrics. For a fan of Metal you seem to be very adamantly opposed to any sort of progression within it.
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11-26-2008, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
It was applied to them later in thier career, or so I've heard.
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Metal is a genre of rock music, not a social club. You can't exclude people because you don't like them.
My Chemical Romance formed in the 90s, Emo formed in the 80s. My Chemical Romance were never called Goth Rock, they were called Goth and described as gothic, something that will be used to refer to any band wearing all black and scaring yuppies. Do you know ANYTHING you're talking about?
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11-26-2008, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JCC
Slipknot are Metal regardless of whether you like it or not. I don't like Bullet For My Valentine or Trivium, but that doesn't mean I can just pretend that they're not Metal, that's something I don't like about Metal, it's incredibly divided and a lot of Metal fans tend to just go "Oh right, I don't like that band, so they're another kind of Metal".
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I think I agree with whoever said BFMV was Screamo.
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11-26-2008, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JCC
My Chemical Romance were never Goth Rock.
Emo is a term from the '80s.
Slipknot are Metal regardless of whether you like it or not. I don't like Bullet For My Valentine or Trivium, but that doesn't mean I can just pretend that they're not Metal, that's something I don't like about Metal, it's incredibly divided and a lot of Metal fans tend to just go "Oh right, I don't like that band, so they're another kind of Metal".
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I won't deny it, Slipknot is Metal, if only in a technical sense.
Maybe I worded myself wrong. They're not...what the word, True Metal?
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11-26-2008, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wormboy
My Chemical Romance formed in the 90s,
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They formed in 2001.
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11-26-2008, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
I won't deny it, Slipknot is Metal, if only in a technical sense.
Maybe I worded myself wrong. They're not...what the word, True Metal?
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Let me guess, you've been reading Metal Hammer.
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11-26-2008, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tekajo
GNR is not hair metal, they got that stigma because of Axel's hair in Welcome to the Jungle video he was parodying what he saw in the LA hair metal scene.
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No, they are hair metal, however they're the only Hair Metal band that isn't obscenely bad.
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11-26-2008, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanguine Mind
I won't deny it, Slipknot is Metal, if only in a technical sense.
Maybe I worded myself wrong. They're not...what the word, True Metal?
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True metal implies there's something wholesome and pure about metal. There isn't. It's just a rock genre with a trillion spin-offs, not some sacred art lasting thousands of years.
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They formed in 2001
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Even better.
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11-26-2008, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tekajo
First of all i think AC/DC themselves once said that they weren't "metal" simply hard rock.
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For the record, bands opinions of themselves don't always matter that much. Deep Purple doesn't want to be called Metal or even Classic Rock. Gerard Way stated in an interview that "emo is a pile of shit", and that his band was never emo (which is actually incorrect, as the band's sound started out "Emo" and evolved into "Emo Pop").
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11-26-2008, 12:47 PM
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Metallica was the worst of the big four, because their songs were toned down, scene kid friendly, rubbish.
Who knows Kreator?
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11-26-2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wormboy
True metal implies there's something wholesome and pure about metal. There isn't. It's just a rock genre with a trillion spin-offs, not some sacred art lasting thousands of years.
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It might as well be, the fans can get very passionate about thier music.
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11-26-2008, 12:49 PM
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Metallica were great for their first three albums, then it went to shit, by which point the Big Four, and Thrash in general, was over.
Kreator are good.
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