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11-10-2011, 06:41 PM
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Pi
Pi is an irrational number. Thus its decimal representation is infinite.
If its decimal representation is infinite, then there are an infinite number of digits in pi after the decimal.
Imagine we gave numbers an alphanumeric value, such that A=1 and B=2 and yes even M=13 meaning if there's a 1 followed by a 3 it can be taken as M or as AC.
If the numbers in the decimal or pi are infinite, then there must be a section within pi that, if we followed the alphanumeric value assigned, would read the whole work of Don Quixote, wouldn't it?
Can someone tell me what is wrong with this idea?
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11-10-2011, 06:50 PM
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Well, for one, most people wouldn't know Don Quixote if it bit them on the ass...
For two, perhaps irrational numbers produce irrational thoughts in people?
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11-10-2011, 07:47 PM
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11-10-2011, 07:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grausamkeit
Well, for one, most people wouldn't know Don Quixote if it bit them on the ass...
For two, perhaps irrational numbers produce irrational thoughts in people?
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Don't you mean if he shoved his lance up their windmill?
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11-10-2011, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Absynthe
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You magnificent bastard, you beat me to it.
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11-10-2011, 09:04 PM
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Bwah ha ha ha!
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11-10-2011, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan
Can someone tell me what is wrong with this idea?
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Well.. First off, you have way too much spare time.
Secondly, unless you mean that all the letters of these works you mentioned are randomly mashed up in Pi, I doubt there will be a section of Pi that makes them out perfectly quoted.
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11-10-2011, 11:17 PM
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But if it is infinite then there are infinite possibilities
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11-11-2011, 01:46 AM
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I suppose that is true. But how do we know that it is infinite?
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11-11-2011, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Timeless Rebellion
Well.. First off, you have way too much spare time.
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I was going to say this at first, but I honestly think that Jill would make time to ponder things like this.
I have to show that pi pic to my math teacher, I think she'll get a kick out of it.
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11-11-2011, 11:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Can someone tell me what is wrong with this idea?
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It implies that Don Quixote equals pi.
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11-11-2011, 02:13 PM
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Mmm... quixotic pie.
/drool.
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11-11-2011, 03:22 PM
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Actually it is very possible:
Don Quixote = ~500,000 words
(500,000 multiplied times the number of combinations of same words) times (number letters and punctuation, spaces and numbers)*(combinations of same characters) =
1 chance in a little over 4 quadrillion (4 thousand trillion) that Don Quixote would be spelled out. That is less than infinity.
But I must warn you: this is exponentially far greater than the number of grains of sand on an average beach (512,000,000,000):
http://www.6footsix.com/my_weblog/ho...of-sand-i.html
You could pick up one by one every grain of sand on a typical beach and not find that story.
So to put it in human terms, it is for all practical purposes impossible to find that string of Don Quixote in your brief lifetime. But it exists, theoretically.
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11-11-2011, 04:15 PM
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...unless someone buried a copy of the story on the beach.
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11-11-2011, 04:22 PM
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This makes me hope that somebody somewhere will build a super-computer to just run pi and churn out epic novels the likes of which the world has never seen.
Complete works of fiction created by nothing but math.
Imagine the possibilities. Maybe by doing this, math itself will become a sentient entity, and take over the world.
The robot uprising is coming, and it's all because Alan took a break from hentai and decided to post about Pi on Gnet.
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11-11-2011, 04:56 PM
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Impossible. To get something out of an infinite series with no pattern, you'd first need to know what you're looking for. It's like looking at figures in clouds except more precise.
This is precisely the implication of Borges' Library of Babel. If you have an infinite library with infinite books with all possible combinations, then there are infinite copies of, say, Charles Dickens' books, and how would you decide which is the best version between "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" and "They were the best of times, they were the worst of times" unless you already had the idea of which would be the best.
If you find a meaningful sequence without a pattern, it's only because you already had presumed the meaningfulness of such a sequence.
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Originally Posted by KissMeDeadly
You fucking people [war veterans] are only a step below entitled rich kids, the only difference being you had to do and witness horrible things, instead of being given everything.
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real classy
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11-11-2011, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Absynthe
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Sorry, had to!
Random aside: I was born on Pi Day.
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11-11-2011, 05:19 PM
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Pfft, reddit. I saw it on Tumblr.
I really need my hipster avatar back.
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11-11-2011, 05:20 PM
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I really want some pumpkin pie.
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11-11-2011, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Saya
Pfft, reddit. I saw it on Tumblr.
I really need my hipster avatar back.
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Tumblr got it from Reddit. ALL OF THE INTERNET IS FROM REDDIT.
Especially the part of the internet with the cats on it.
...can I please see your hipster avatar?
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11-11-2011, 05:56 PM
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I can't find the picture by itself but I probably got it from this, I used the Belle one:
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11-11-2011, 06:04 PM
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That's the first time Cinderella has ever been my favorite princess.
...this thread is one Success Kid away from qualifying as a meme gallery.
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11-11-2011, 06:32 PM
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That's right you did have Belle on here, I was thinking it was Ariel but that was on facebook.
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