Jung of Freud

[Godslayer Jillian]

Who pWns who's ass?

The order of the pair in the title would lead some to believe I prefer Jung, but I actually don't understand much of his theories to say I agree with him. Also I don't quite understand the new craze in saying Freud was very wrong. How could his theory of the subconscious and psychological repression defense mechanisms be wrong? They seem pretty evident.

[raggedyanne]

Hmm, I'm not too familiar with Jung. Could you summarize his theories?

[Sir Canvas Corpsey]

Is Jung the one who created the system where everyone can be primarily categorised into one of many types based on their personailty.
eg. INFJ Introverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
INTJ Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging are two examples only using 5 of the 8 letters... err.. yeah? Is his stuff that stuff?

Teehee

In fact I don't know much about psychology at all.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Jung is mainly summarized in pointing out his theories of the collective unconscious and subsequent archetypes.
It's about how psychologically most humans share a common unconsciousness that recognizes common archetypes. The connotation of this is that there is a general perspective of reality which we all share, as proven by folkloric beliefs that are similar throughout the world even in the absence of a connection between the cultures.

[raggedyanne]

Oh, that makes sense. Hmm, whereas freud believes that all humans are different and that their subconscious selves are developed during childhood? Do I have that right?

[Godslayer Jillian]

That's sort of how I understand it, but it would be erroneous to say their theories are dichotomous.

[raggedyanne]

Hmmm, now I have to read up on this. You've sparked my interest. Aw, my poor overworked library card.

[Saya]

Freud was.....weird. He believe growing up that boys hate their fathers and wanna have sex with their mothers (the Oedipus complex), he was pretty sexist, interpreted dreams.....but to be fair all he did was study mentally ill people, so thats probably why he was a little skewed in his views.

Jung I know agreed with dream interpretation and was also sexist (as was the style at the time), and came up with the Electra complex (girls hate their mothers ((because they never gave them a penis)) and are in love with their fathers).

There were good points about them made in class but I just can't remember them I only remember the weird.

[Godslayer Jillian]

FUCK!
The title says Jung of Freud.
Now I'm shamed.

[raggedyanne]

Originally Posted by Saya

Freud was.....weird. He believe growing up that boys hate their fathers and wanna have sex with their mothers (the Oedipus complex), he was pretty sexist, interpreted dreams.....but to be fair all he did was study mentally ill people, so thats probably why he was a little skewed in his views.

Jung I know agreed with dream interpretation and was also sexist (as was the style at the time), and came up with the Electra complex (girls hate their mothers ((because they never gave them a penis)) and are in love with their fathers).

There were good points about them made in class but I just can't remember them I only remember the weird.

Funny how both seem to have obsession with incest . . .

[Minyaliel]

Freud´s obsession with anything sexual only shows that he himself must have been a severely repressed and pitiful creature. My sympathies go to Jung.

[Godslayer Jillian]

But then it only goes to prove his sexual theories, in which case then he only came up with so many because they're true, so it's not that he was sexually obsessed, but that he merely found how much sex permeates human interaction.

[Saya]

His theories range from true, plausible, and completely off the wall. Oedipus complex, penis envy (moms prefer having boy babies because its close enough to having a penis?), dream interpretation, and sexual fixation (that pretty much everything since we were babies had some sexual feelings about it, from a baby breastfeeding to a kid pooping), we all know are either bogus or greatly exaggerated.

But he did have some redeeming qualities. He did believe that people are inherently bisexual, and homosexuality isn't an illness or a perversion. We don't know if thats true but he was quite ahead of his time in regards to homosexuality, which for a long time afterwards was considered a mental illness.

[gothicusmaximus]

Freud is not viewed to have been completely wrong about everything, just largely inaccurate in his understanding of the human mind. His ideas remain widely studied in universities across the globe, although, ironically enough, increasingly rarely in courses that deal specifically with psychology.

I highly recommend Freud's The Uncanny, which presents some intriguing hypotheses regarding the reason for which we are frightened or unsettled by certain images and ideas. A very gawffic essay if I do say so myself.

[Sir_Vex]

Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

Freud is not viewed to have been completely wrong about everything, just largely inaccurate in his understanding of the human mind. His ideas remain widely studied in universities across the globe, although, ironically enough, increasingly rarely in courses that deal specifically with psychology.

I highly recommend Freud's The Uncanny, which presents some intriguing hypotheses regarding the reason for which we are frightened or unsettled by certain images and ideas. A very gawffic essay if I do say so myself.

Not to mention, his groundwork was absolutely phenomenal, particularly given how little attention the subject was paid. It helped to develop better studies later on. He's a bit like Darwin, who's initial ideas was grand but seemed to fail in general afterwards.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Freud is a fucking joke.

[HumanePain]

I think Carl Jung was in a better position to draw conclusions closer to the truth as his early education and experiences were broader than Freud's.

[Fatbaby]

they offered the enlightened. While each helped to bring those with mental disorders out of the realm of curses and demons, neither was or used science. Their conclusions were based on the on armchair philosophising. Theories were advanced by the popularity they could obtain from other doctors. Freud advanced the idea that the repression of sexual identities built up in an individual until they would burst. Jung based his theories on collective consciousness, an idea that still draws people who are theists.

[Sir_Vex]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

Freud is a fucking joke.

Is the punchline, "Ooh, you had a dream? You want to sleep with your mom!"